Dear Sara, Dickson, John and Gordon,

 

As I read what Rosen had to say I became conscious of how the passage as quoted leaves out any hint of a reference to languages’ origin and circulation in communities, a process that does result in rules which matter, and matter on several levels.

 

As something that communities do, communication involves rules; and many find they ignore them at their peril. Not always rules from the rule book, but appreciation of the rules that apply in different contexts nevertheless goes a long, long way; as Sara demonstrates by deliberately breaking a few. It doesn’t hurt to “know what we are doing” when it comes to using language.

 

Best regards,

 

Mark

 

 

Dr Mark Stevenson

Senior Lecturer, Asian Studies

College of Arts

Victoria University

 

Phone 61 3 9919 4652

Fax 61 3 9919 4164

 

 

 

 

From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sara Felix
Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015 3:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Writing, language and pedantry

 

Are academic arguments and critical thought really lost by the use of nouns as verbs?  After all, doesn't English already have a plethora of these - to record, a record; to run, a run; to brush; a brush.  Why should these be canonized as acceptable while others that may prove just as precise and understandable be excluded?  Is it simply because we have decided that the evolution of language must stop at this point in order to maintain the rules that allow it to be 'academic' and/or 'standard'?  Personally, I look forward to the chance to verb a few more nouns. (Did using verb as a verb just ruin the meaning of my thoughts or fail to communicate them?) 

 

Bare in mind, this is from a colleague (if you consider me one) who learned English from Americans - as you insinuate, I may be biased.


And, in a not-so-unrelated thought, I wonder why Dr Steven Pinker (not Mr), a Harvard professor, has had his academic credentials questioned and has, instead, been labeled a trendy media personality. Are these two labels incompatible?


From: learning development in higher education network [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of John Sutter [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 3:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Writing, language and pedantry

Dear Gordon,

 

That’s all very well, but I fear we may be getting carried away. A noun is after all, a noun, a ‘thing’ word not a ‘doing’ word. You can’t just swap the two about, or where would we be? America, probably. I think Steven Pinker is absolutely right to draw a line in the sand, but he’s clearly confused about where it should be. Or indeed on which beach it should be. He seems to think that while some grammar rules are mere ‘superstitions’ (how I laughed!), others aspects of our tongue are solely a matter of good taste  - to whit, his own very suspect liberal metropolitan taste. We are encouraged to adopt his lax (some might even say immoral) standards in grammar, and yet superimpose upon this a vague and clubby sense of what appears to be appropriate to the context of academia (if we can for a moment accept that Steven might be considered an academic, and not some trendy media personality with a secret longing for acceptance by informed and serious people). As for Mr. Michael Rosen, I am surprised that he is allowed any where near children with his views and the damage that could be caused. 

 

We in the front line of language and literacy development in UK universities are doing our very best to preserve nouns and verbs. Messrs Pinker and Rosen have not been at all helpful. We expect this of course from Mr Rosen, a longstanding linguistic terrorist. But Mr Pinker must swallow his share of opprobrium here too: he must begin to appreciate that without all the ‘superstitions’ of grammar the whole edifice collapses. If I cannot tell you that you are wrong, incorrect, and illiterate to boot, why can you tell me that I lack ‘style’? Mere empty flaneurie. We must be very careful to preserve the substance of linguistic discrimination, or we will be left  standing before our colleagues and the world at large clad in only the flimsy lingerie of our linguistic prejudices, and this must not be allowed - under any circumstance - to happen. It is our job to tell others that they are wrong, incorrect and illiterate to boot. Whilst it is obvious that, in language, what is acceptable as good, appropriate and fitting is for us - the elite, the chosen - to decide, we cannot afford to accede any of the hard won territory our grammatical struggles (and those of our forefathers) have secured. To put it another way: we all revere and indeed, depend on, the language standards that enshrine, for all of us, the natural requirement that all higher thought, academic rigour, and critical endeavour be realised exclusively through our very own Standard British Academic English ( and by this I mean not youthspeak, Birmingham speak, patois, or any other deviations, or alternatively in these days of so-called internationalisation Scottish or Australian English, or Singlish, or, God forbid, another language entirely like French), preferably in written form, in ink, on paper. But these standards are not invulnerable: Nay, they are often left undefended and weak, like Andromeda or some other woman tied to a rock, and especially so in the epoch we now inhabit whence the Internet and Michael Rosen roam free, despoiling our fair language wherever they find it. Yet these cultural terrorists are not the only enemies of nouns and verbs - we must beware those like Pinker who would  - no doubt unintentionally, foolishly - undermine our entire culture (and livelihoods!) by remorselessly chipping away at the rock of grammar, the geology of correctitude, that is the very foundation for everything we hold dear and preserve. 

 

We MUST stick to the rules, and ABOVE ALL ensure OTHERS do; else all is LOST.

 

Yours etc,

 

 

John Sutter

Learning Enhancement and Support Manager

University for the Creative Arts

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Canterbury

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On 7 Oct 2015, at 23:53, Gordon Asher <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

 

Michael Rosen: "There is no essential grammatical quality attached to any word until it is used. A word is not a noun until it is used as a noun. Same goes for 'but' . When it is used as a conjunction, it is a conjunction. When it is used as a frontal adverbial or 'sentence adverb' - as it is when it begins a sentence, that's what it is. The great mistake of pedantry is to assume that words are what grammarians have called them. It's a form of nomenclature determinism. Luckily we are human beings and not machines, so we can say, 'but me no buts' or 'proud me no prouds' (which gets a red underline from the typography nazis in my computer) but was good enough for Shakespeare. 'Hah, but 'proud' is an adjective,' they cry. Not in that sentence - one is a verb and the other is a noun."

 

 

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