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Hi all, This report by BIS: ‘The relationship between graduates and economic growth across countries<https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/229492/bis-13-858-relationship-between-graduates-and-economic-growth-across-countries.pdf>’ Answers the general question about graduates, but not specifically about STEM graduates: - 1 per cent increase in the share of the workforce with a university education raises long-run productivity by 0.2 – 0.5 per cent. (Increasing the stock of graduates in the overall economy added 20 per cent to GDP between 1982 and 2005.) (Productivity here being the measure of gdp or gva per hour worked) I would imagine that there is a report somewhere looking specifically looking at STEM graduates, but there would need to be a fair number of assumptions as Dom suggests. To Sarah’s specific question about STEM being an indicator or a healthy economy, there is oodles (providing you’re willing to say that R&D expenditure is a good indicator of STEM), I’d suggest starting here: http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=1653, but if you’re after bone-dry OECD stats then their economic survey series<http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/oecd-economic-surveys-united-kingdom-2013/growth-productivity-and-innovation_eco_surveys-gbr-2013-5-en> should do the trick. Rich From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dominic McDonald Sent: 30 September 2015 09:51 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] convincing data linking economy to STEM graduates? Hi Wendy What an interesting question (much more interesting than the other things I have to do this morning). Unfortunately, I don’t think you’re going to find this in a convincing form, because your question begs a number of other questions. Here are a couple that spring immediately to mind: - What is a STEM graduate? Can we get comparable data from different countries? In this country, Geography (for instance) sits in a very ambiguous position. - As the article that you pointed us to suggests, what is the likely time-lag between someone graduating and them having a meaningful impact on the economy. It’s definitely measured in years; it might be measured in decades. - What is the impact of immigration? In the UK, we are a net importer of people with graduate level skills, so there are lots of graduates who were not produced by the UK education system, but who might well have a positive impact on the UK economy. The converse is true in a country which is a net exporter of graduates. - How do we cope with countries with different types of economy. We might expect the impact of STEM graduates would be different in a country whose economy has a strong primary sector (eg Canada, Australia) compared to one without (eg the UK). So I think even if you could get a nice neat correlation, then I think you would have to hedge it round with so many caveats that it would become meaningless. My feeling, therefore, is that this isn’t something we can realistically “prove” in any meaningful sense. It has enormous rhetorical power, but I wouldn’t scratch the surface of it too vigorously. Dom From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Wendy Sadler Sent: 30 September 2015 09:25 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [PSCI-COM] convincing data linking economy to STEM graduates? Dear Scicomm hive mind… I’ve been doing a fair bit of trawling online but haven’t been able to find any convincing data that an increase in STEM graduates correlates to a better economy for a country? The best analysis I’ve found is the criticism of the statistical misunderstanding of the data from Prof Peter Coles here: https://telescoper.wordpress.com/2010/08/28/political-correlation/ Can anyone point me to anything convincing, or is this a reason for STEM recruitment that we all speak about without real evidence? 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