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Thanks Pat for the detailed info. Yes, sorry about the Leeds Met change (due to a university name change). I think you make a good point about permanency of the resource access. At Leeds Beckett (Met as it was) we actually deposited the resource in Jorum (not just a link to the resource in our repository) for that very reason. I think that Jorum (or any other national open repository) is valuable because it can hold a physical copy of that resource permanently (and overcome issues where institutions change their name!??) Simon -----Original Message----- From: Open Education Special Interest Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley (Pgogy) Sent: 24 September 2015 10:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Jorum to retire. Do we care? Hello all, (Caveat, I run solvonauts, which I do for free, bar winning some money for it once which I spent on going to a conference) Solvonauts has 64477 resources published from a .AC.UK domain. I don't know how many are in jorum, but solvonauts has harvested 16600 from Jorum's OAI endpoint. At the end of the email are a list of resources I pick up from UK bodies (limited to those with over 100 results) A quick analysis of this reveals there is more "UKOER" as a concept outside of jorum than there is in it - which might be stating the obvious, but if deposition matters to people, then the question should be why don't people do it? Or what is in it for people? The single biggest UKOER pot has been created by Nottingham Vet School and lives on FlickR (9691 items), the second biggest single pot is me (ha). However, this ignores perhaps the "second deposition problem" which is that institutions often have multiple pots and users who ignore or are oblivious to those pots. So Oxford have 9150 items over all of their domains, but if an institution isn't going to have one pot, then does that mean the national pot isn't worth it either? (this ignores two Oxford UKOER pots on none .ox.ac.uk domains). What would the ideal topology to be? Solvonauts is built around this as a concept, in that people are going to put stuff into places that work for them. Solvonauts can harvest from RSS, OAI, Atom, Flickr, Tumblr, Twitter, Instagram and as of next month MediaWiki and Vimeo. Oxford's 9000 resources are primarily from Drupal and WordPress (RSS feeds). I get more from FlickR than I do from any "repository". The British Library's tumblr account is bigger than all bar one UKOER pot, and grows every day. Edinburgh's Open Youtube Channel is bigger than some UKOER pots. (If you want to check a domain I just coded a new solvonauts function to do so. Go to http://solvonauts.org/?action=site_count&site=ox.ac.uk and replace the ox.ac.uk with part of a domain or your repository host name.) Re domain / url permanence - as we're three years out of UKOER, a few UKOER funded pots have closed (Bath being one) and so all of the Bath URLs are now void (although all Bath resources are deposited in jorum). You may also note I have no Open University results in Solvonauts, which is partly because they change their URL structure quite often and it is a pain to manage it. The biggest single repo below is Leeds Met, which i've ignored as I know I've got to delete it and pick up their new one (another URL change). So if there is a jorum deposition and url permanence problem, it is also reflected within institutions as well. If a national service is needed, then I suspect you'd need to find a way to make resource URLs permanent, or at least long term, and solve deposition. I'd say you can't solve deposition, and it's better to go look for resources instead. http://repository-intralibrary.leedsmet.ac.uk/Intr... 33480 http://mechanicalcurator.tumblr.com/ 16623 http://dspace.jorum.ac.uk/oai/request?verb=ListRec... 16600 Nottingham Vet School | FlickR 9691 Pgogy Webstuff | FlickR 4942 https://radar.brookes.ac.uk/radar/oai?verb=ListRec... 3246 http://www.ota.ox.ac.uk/catalogue/epubfeed.rss 2724 http://humbox.ac.uk/cgi/oai2?verb=ListRecords&meta... 1971 http://loro.open.ac.uk/cgi/oai2?verb=ListRecords&m... 1816 Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums | FlickR 1768 LSE Library | FlickR 1410 http://languagebox.ac.uk/cgi/oai2?verb=ListRecords... 1106 Royal Museums Greenwich | FlickR 833 http://www.open.edu/openlearn/feeds/oai?verb=ListR... 749 http://core.materials.ac.uk/rss/doitpoms_images.xm... 696 http://www.swapbox.ac.uk/cgi/oai2?verb=ListRecords... 627 http://www.open.edu/openlearn/rss/try-content 296 http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenEdinburghUni 257 http://unow.nottingham.ac.uk/rss.ashx 255 http://politicsinspires.org/feed/ 245 http://sonet.nottingham.ac.uk/rlos/all_rlo_rssfeed... 188 http://open.conted.ox.ac.uk/taxonomy/term/1555/all... 169 http://core.materials.ac.uk/rss/talat.xml 149 http://www2.le.ac.uk/projects/oer/oers/oers-jorum/... 118 http://core.materials.ac.uk/rss/doitpoms_videos.xm... 115 http://mediapub.it.ox.ac.uk/feeds/129204/audio.xml 106 http://uplace.org.uk:8080/dspace/feed/rss_2.0/1029... 100 -- Pgogy Webstuff pgogywebstuff.com