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",,,mad rabid dog.... sorry if that was dogg-ist" No, but it might be tautology. > On 16 September 2015 at 19:54 nick cavill <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > I love this group. For weeks and months it sits there harmlessly. And then > every so often it leaps of out the corner like a mad rabid dog and has me > shouting at the computer. > > sorry if that was dogg-ist > > nick > > > > > > On 16 Sep 2015, at 17:37, Adonia Lugo < > > > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > Structural solutions have considerable potential to perpetuate > > paternalistic and racist power dynamics, and inequitable distribution of > > public resources. > > But that's not usually problematized in the usual "vehicularists vs. > > infrastructuralists" debate, which I smell developing here. > > > > -- > > Adonia E. Lugo, Ph.D. > > Street Anthropologist > > <http://www.urbanadonia.com/> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Katja Leyendecker > > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Or champion road design solutions designing these items > > > > > out. Yes, you can make it an individual's problem but > > > > > there are structural solutions. > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > On 16 Sep 2015, at 13:57, Oddy, Nicholas < [log in to unmask] > > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > The lifesaver backward glance is an essential, but even > > > > moreso when cyclists insist on hugging the kerb and > > > > therefore have to spend their time swerving into motor > > > > traffic to avoid drain covers, litter, bus wheel ripple and > > > > whatever, when they really hardly have time to look at the > > > > road ahead. The first thing that is necessary in terms of > > > > education in urban contexts is to have cyclists encouraged > > > > to cycle to take up a lane space where two lanes are > > > > available, and to hold the centre of the lane wherever there > > > > is limited clearance, (particularly taking account of > > > > door-swing from parked vehicles), letting a following motor > > > > vehicle pass when the cyclist deems it safe, rather than > > > > leaving it to the whim and judgement of whoever is driving > > > > the vehicle. The problem with all this is that it requires a > > > > holistic approach to legislation, education and road user > > > > attitude that is sadly lacking in the context of the UK's > > > > divisive approach to vehicle types. > > > > > > > > Nicholas Oddy > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list > > > > [mailto: [log in to unmask] > > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On Behalf Of > > > > Dave Holladay > > > > Sent: 16 September 2015 10:09 > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > > Subject: Re: / HGV fatals - Aggregation of Marginal Gains? > > > > > > > > The result of the survey was a local safety campaign about > > > > learning how to look back when riding a bike (Ian do find > > > > that poster!) as this was considered the key safety campaign > > > > detail to promote with cyclists. > > > > > > > > Raising standards and competence for road awareness for all > > > > road users may have a far greater impact than all gizmos for > > > > roads safety.... discuss? > > > > > > > > DH > > > > > > > >> On 16/09/2015 09:54, Deegan Brian wrote: > > > >> Thanks Dave I will start reading before sending the request > > > >> to our behaviour change team. > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: Dave Holladay > > > >> [mailto: [log in to unmask] > > > >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 09:49 AM > > > >> To: [log in to unmask] > > > >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > >> < [log in to unmask] > > > >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > > >> Subject: Re: / HGV fatals - Aggregation of Marginal Gains? > > > >> > > > >> We have the results of a 5000 cyclist survey which would > > > >> appear to be > > > >> a reasonably robust sample to a direct question about > > > >> looking back > > > >> over their right shoulder, where a significantly different > > > >> response > > > >> came from female respondents. > > > >> > > > >> A match-test came from reviewing incidents where a cyclist > > > >> came into > > > >> conflict/collision with a following road user by moving > > > >> right without > > > >> rearward observation, and this also seemed to correlate to > > > >> a > > > >> significantly higher number of women behaving in this way. > > > >> > > > >> So the survey and observations align. > > > >> > > > >> Your sample may well have been a higher % of regular and > > > >> experienced > > > >> cycle users who may not have observed a huge lack of > > > >> rearward > > > >> awareness in the mass cycling traffic on the street - of > > > >> all genders > > > >> and ethnicities? <ducks> > > > >> > > > >> Pag 16 Oxcam report (free download) > > > >> > > > >> Dave > > > >> > > > >>> On 16/09/2015 09:04, Deegan Brian wrote: > > > >>> Hello Dave and all, I tested your women don't look back > > > >>> over their right shoulder theory at the cycle show > > > >>> yesterday with several female cyclists. All had the same > > > >>> puzzled look and several now assume I am sexist. I think I > > > >>> am filling this alongside gay people can't whistle and > > > >>> black people can't swim in my unfounded things to never > > > >>> share in public box. At least until I see some empirical > > > >>> evidence. > > > >>> > > > >>> Brian > > > >>> > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>> From: Katja Leyendecker [mailto: > > > >>> [log in to unmask] > > > >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] > > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 08:35 AM > > > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > > > >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > >>> < [log in to unmask] > > > >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > > >>> Subject: Re: / HGV fatals - Aggregation of Marginal Gains? > > > >>> > > > >>> Which location (city, country) are we talking about when > > > >>> saying "Most infrastructure design has it completel the > > > >>> wrong way round" > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks > > > >>> Kat > > > >>> > > > >>> Sent from my iPad > > > >>> > > > >>>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 07:35, Dave Holladay < > > > >>>> [log in to unmask] > > > >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Simon > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Your pointers to Suchman and Paul Richards > > > >>>> > > > >>>> "Most infrastructure design has it completely the wrong > > > >>>> way round - it is expected that ideal design (often > > > >>>> copied from a manual ) will be occupied by more and more > > > >>>> cyclists who will use it according to the rules." > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Gives a key detail to why CS2 cycle route at Bow is still > > > >>>> fatally > > > >>>> flawed in the way it is addressing the management of the > > > >>>> risk of > > > >>>> motor vehicle-cycle crashes > > > >>>> > > > >>>> and is a better way of expressing my comment on the core > > > >>>> risk management system on which the system pins its > > > >>>> safety credentials "To expect a reliable delivery of a > > > >>>> reduction in the risk of a collision based on robust user > > > >>>> compliance with traffic signals is supremely naieve" > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It becomes increasingly apparent that a reversion to the > > > >>>> use of > > > >>>> safety systems developed over a period of 2.3bn years may > > > >>>> serve all > > > >>>> road users better than a reliance most modern > > > >>>> technologies > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dave Holladay > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On 16/09/2015 01:21, Simon P J Batterbury wrote: > > > >>>>> thanks for everybody's wishes. I'll be back. There was a > > > >>>>> full compliment of police and witnesses. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> following Paul Richards (anthropologist of technology or > > > >>>>> 'technography ') the problem with a pure > > > >>>>> 'infrastructure' approach to better cycling outcomes > > > >>>>> would be that it will undoubtedly be misused and adapted > > > >>>>> by local users, just as cyclists hop across kerbs at > > > >>>>> present or run the lights on great infrastructure, as > > > >>>>> they do in the Netherlands and other countries. he does > > > >>>>> not say 'perfect' technological design is impossible, > > > >>>>> only that design must recognise user behaviour much > > > >>>>> better. this is Durkheimian . this means doing those > > > >>>>> observational studies of junctions,and following > > > >>>>> cyclists about to see what they do.Also motorists. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Most infrastructure design has it completel the wrong > > > >>>>> way round - it is expected that ideal design (often > > > >>>>> copied from a manual ) will be occupied by more and more > > > >>>>> cyclists who will use it according to the rules. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> referring to Suchman's work on photocpiers, whose users > > > >>>>> could not often master the buttons and the paper jams, > > > >>>>> Richards says " To remedy this situation photocopy > > > >>>>> designers wanted to change users. But Suchman tried to > > > >>>>> get the designers to accept that users were never going > > > >>>>> to operate the machine according to the book. What was > > > >>>>> needed was not to educate the users to fit the machine > > > >>>>> but to redesign the machine to respond to the way users > > > >>>>> use (or abuse) it." > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Richards, P. 2010. A Green Revolution from below? > > > >>>>> Retirement > > > >>>>> address, Wageningen University, the Netherlands. > > > >>>>> http://edepot.wur.nl/165231 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dr. Simon Batterbury | Associate Professor, > > > >>>>> Environmental Studies| > > > >>>>> Dept. of Geography | 221 Bouverie St (rm L2.33) | > > > >>>>> University of > > > >>>>> Melbourne, 3010 VIC, > > > >>>>> +61 (0)3 8344 9319 | simonpjb @<http://unimelb.edu.au/> > > > >>>>> | > > > >>>>> +<http://www.simonbatterbury.net/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ________________________________________ > > > >>>>> From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list > > > >>>>> [ [log in to unmask] > > > >>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] on behalf > > > >>>>> of Alan Munro > > > >>>>> [ [log in to unmask] > > > >>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2015 10:12 PM > > > >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] > > > >>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: / HGV fatals - Aggregation of Marginal > > > >>>>> Gains? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> My sympathy too! Simon, that sounds a horrific incident. > > > >>>>> I am glad it turned out with no serious, long term > > > >>>>> injury. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I must admit to be very interested, as both a researcher > > > >>>>> and cyclist in non cycling-friendly bit of Yorkshire, > > > >>>>> for an equivalent of the British Cycling's Aggregation > > > >>>>> of Marginal Gains in terms of an aggregation of things > > > >>>>> which might bring to bear to make one safer on the road? > > > >>>>> If one doesn't know the term from cycling sport, it > > > >>>>> refers to an aggregation of competitive 'gains' through > > > >>>>> innovative training, frame design, psychological help, > > > >>>>> diet etc. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> In the sense I'm thinking, it would be 'aggregation of > > > >>>>> gains' of safety on the road through a mix of > > > >>>>> behaviours, dress, position on the road, technology, > > > >>>>> etc... > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> In terms of myself - > > > >>>>> Certainly, I use the 'lifesaver' from a brief flirtation > > > >>>>> with motorcycling and have found it useful. > > > >>>>> I also keep a very good eye on car behaviour around me > > > >>>>> as I do not believe they will actually signal their > > > >>>>> intentions. > > > >>>>> I have gone through the debates of high-viz with other > > > >>>>> cycling activists and do actually wear brightly-coloured > > > >>>>> things if possible. I don't care if it's a cop-out in > > > >>>>> some eyes - it has recognisable 'gains' in visibility > > > >>>>> shown in rather basic visual perception experiments (and > > > >>>>> it's why ambulances and fire-engines are painted that > > > >>>>> way). > > > >>>>> We could add - lights during the day? Blinking lights? > > > >>>>> Road style? > > > >>>>> Junction behaviour? > > > >>>>> We might also bring in innovative technological > > > >>>>> solutions. I have a colleague who has been working on > > > >>>>> interesting novel drone ideas. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> It might be slightly different for rural cyclists - we > > > >>>>> have to bear in mind that a lot of accidents seem to > > > >>>>> happen in rural roads. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I do think infrastructure and well-designed roads are > > > >>>>> the only real solution, as well as actual enforcement of > > > >>>>> laws for motorists, and campaign for these things, but > > > >>>>> these things do not seem to be arriving soon for the > > > >>>>> majority of cyclists. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> alan > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> alan munro > > > >>>>><http://www.munrobius.com/> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 12:31, David Gordon Wilson wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> My sympathy and congratulations on surviving! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> (I have been hit by nine motor vehicles in the US since > > > >>>>>> coming > > > >>>>>> here from the UK). > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Dave Wilson > > > >>>>>> David Gordon (Dave) Wilson > > > >>>>>> MIT room 3-256, 77 Massachusetts Ave. > > > >>>>>> CAMBRIDGE, MA 02139-4307, USA > > > >>>>>> Phone: 617 253 5121; > > > >>>>>> Email: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ; OR > > > >>>>>> 21 Winthrop Street WINCHESTER MA 01890-2851, USA; Ph.: > > > >>>>>> 781 729 > > > >>>>>> 2203; > > > >>>>>> Email: [log in to unmask] > > > >>>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Simon P J Batterbury > > > >>>>>> < [log in to unmask] > > > >>>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > >>>>>>> This is slightly raw since I am hospital after being > > > >>>>>>> hit on wednesday by an HGV doing 60km/h. Miraculously, > > > >>>>>>> after spinning through the air (the bike was destroyed > > > >>>>>>> under the wheels), I came out with broken ribs, > > > >>>>>>> delated lung, concussion and a broken leg. The > > > >>>>>>> accident circumstances were different ( I was at 90 > > > >>>>>>> degrees to the truck) and what saved me was wearing a > > > >>>>>>> backpack with a load of university papers and a laptop > > > >>>>>>> - these cushioned the blow and broke ribs , instead of > > > >>>>>>> worse. Doesn't safety advice say not to wear a > > > >>>>>>> backpack and to use panniers? I could have been dead > > > >>>>>>> or paralysed without it. > > > >>>>>>> The Lifesaver issue seems to ring true . also scannign > > > >>>>>>> the forward field of vision - that would have helped > > > >>>>>>> in my case. > > > >>>>>>> I am writing a cathartic blog posting and will post > > > >>>>>>> it, now that i am enjoying a painful but unexpected > > > >>>>>>> second lease of life. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Dr. Simon Batterbury | Associate Professor, > > > >>>>>>> Environmental > > > >>>>>>> Studies| Dept. of Geography | 221 Bouverie St (rm > > > >>>>>>> L2.33) | > > > >>>>>>> University of Melbourne, 3010 VIC, > > > >>>>>>> +61 (0)3 8344 9319 | simonpjb > > > >>>>>>> @<http://unimelb.edu.au/> | > > > >>>>>>> +<http://www.simonbatterbury.net/> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> ________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>> From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion > > > >>>>>>> list > > > >>>>>>> [ [log in to unmask] > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] on > > > >>>>>>> behalf of Dave Holladay > > > >>>>>>> [ [log in to unmask] > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > >>>>>>> ] > > > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2015 7:59 AM > > > >>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: CSRG Manchester - Manchester new tram > > > >>>>>>> tracks / HGV > > > >>>>>>> fatals > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I've a meeting in Barnsley on Wednesday, and would > > > >>>>>>> like to drop > > > >>>>>>> by en route to catch up if that's OK. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Would like to see how we can tie in some known detail > > > >>>>>>> which seems > > > >>>>>>> to correlate and point to further research. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> 1) at least 80% of HGV-cycle fatal crashes in London > > > >>>>>>> are > > > >>>>>>> initiated by an impact between the front nearside > > > >>>>>>> quarter of the > > > >>>>>>> HGV and the rear offside quarter of the cycle. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> 2) immediately prior to an impact in this area the > > > >>>>>>> cyclist will > > > >>>>>>> be in the position of least visibility from the > > > >>>>>>> driving position > > > >>>>>>> - viz masked by the nearside A pillar, (ironically) > > > >>>>>>> the cluster > > > >>>>>>> of external mirrors placed to remove the blind spots > > > >>>>>>> across the > > > >>>>>>> front and down to the rear and side of the truck, and > > > >>>>>>> the entire > > > >>>>>>> solid panelled front nearside corner and door of the > > > >>>>>>> truck. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> 3) there are indications that the cyclists are also > > > >>>>>>> unaware of > > > >>>>>>> the approaching truck because they do not maintain > > > >>>>>>> good all round > > > >>>>>>> observation by both aural and visual checks, > > > >>>>>>> especially the > > > >>>>>>> rearward over the right shoulder visual check, which > > > >>>>>>> is known by > > > >>>>>>> motorcyclists as the Lifesaver - which pretty bluntly > > > >>>>>>> tells you > > > >>>>>>> why you need to keep doing this in busy traffic. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> 4) 10 years ago a robust 5000 response survey of > > > >>>>>>> cyclists clearly > > > >>>>>>> highlighted 2 points > > > >>>>>>> i) female respondents answered that they > > > >>> ********************************************************************* > > > >>> ************** The contents of this e-mail and any > > > >>> attached files are > > > >>> confidential. 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