On 30 Aug 2015, at 10:31, Tim Allen wrote:
I was hoping to stay off this today but as my hair is drying (yes I've still got a little bit of the stuff) I'll just say that yes yes yes of course a high proportion of the poets who get slotted in with the avant tribe (rightly or wrongly or by fault or design) are widely different to each other, and yet - dramatic pause - they all have a history of being slagged off by, or ignored by, the centre (or whatever term we choose to use) - this is why the debate is not phantasmagoric.
Cheers
Tim
On 29 Aug 2015, at 16:31, Jeremy F Green wrote:
whether we're talking about Creeley, Olson, Clark Coolidge (I'll come back to him), Rosemary Tonks, Basil Bunting or Denise Riley—is not one thing, and to imply that it's all avant-garde (insert scare quotes) is an example of the dubious part-for-whole illogic that characterizes this entire phantasmagoric debate.