Dear David
The economics of poetry are a taboo subject as economic factors are seen as alien in the artistic world. To indeed include economic honesty would indeed mean going back to Johnson's time. Some years ago when Irish MOR poets were all getting into writing novels one poet and publisher came clean on that move. Asked what the difference was between novel writing and writing poetry books he said "the difference was £20,000 punts" pre Euro currency.
He has not become a major novelist but did well for a while and in a career sense he got to move in novelist circles. An advance is an advance is an advance in hard cash terms. To become a journalist from the novelist mode is easier than from being a poet with exceptions. Paul Durcan being a classic exception who mastered using morning radio to become a household name.
The money in poetry is by no means small at the top end of the market. International travel with gigs clocking up air travel galore is not uncommon. To then plead "poverty" is simply dishonest if one can pack American venues where serious money is available. Free travel plus expenses and quality hotels are not to be dismissed as subject matter for singing the blues.
As I have only dipped my feet into poetry in Britain in real terms Irish examples are more apt from experience. I can barely recall when last I did a reading so no local knowledge. In an Irish context the big earners know the routes to lucre not just within Ireland. Many who are not "star names" are doing well in economic terms. Prison creative writing posts as well as lecture and reading gigs help keep the good life continue. But this is a closed shop circuit similar to what used be termed "the blue rinse circuit" in other decades.
Academic posts are not accepted for love of the arts nor serious editing work. Festivals and poetry competitions offer money too which raises issues of a moral nature in the midst of Corbynmania. A fair few who enter poems pay for their entry but can they afford it if they are on small incomes?
An economic thread runs through all our lives from birth to death. If as stated every poet claims to be "on the left" or indeed "Marxist" or "radical Feminist" then why the lack of clarity re income? I see no poets in Dover defending the migrants right to enter Britain or indeed Ireland offering to happily take them in to a renewed Celtic Tiger economy?
Will indeed click on the link again and go through it in detail David.
Best to all in Brum
Sean
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask]
To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 7:03
Subject: Re: Poetry On Trial: 2. “Poetry and Tribalism” by Jon Stone