Hi all
Is it not also time for image technology people and 'geeks' to work more together? In the photography world, IPTC and EXIF are essential tools, and have been for some time. Is it not possible that web technologists could gain something by surfacing some of this data (It's quite easy to do), and is it not time for a recognition of the importance of attribution and (relatively) sticky image labelling to be felt in the web community? We could do so much more together!
Sarah
On 9 Jun 2015, at 11:10, Mike Ellis wrote:
> Yes, even I with my terrible geek cred was able to extract, read, write EXIF data. So it can't be that hard... Flickr: my understanding is (tell me if I'm wrong) that this tends to be camera metadata, not descriptive?
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> But - in a scenario where writing this data would cause a considerable bump in workflow, is there enough real-world usage to justify the time and expense doing it? That's really the practical question, I think.
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> Back to watermarks, I say :-) (I don't)
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> Mia wrote:
>> I'm sure most geeks can figure out how to access EXIF data pretty quickly... And isn't it used extensively on Flickr?
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>> To ask a different question, can a museum worth its name justify creating *more* orphan works?
>>
>> Cheers, Mia
>>
>> Sent from my handheld computing device
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>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 10:55, Mike Ellis<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> Some more really interesting stuff, thanks everyone.
>>>
>>> Even given the wave of positivenesses from the list, I'm still dubious from any kind of practical perspective (Google doesn't use it, social - the only way stuff gets shared in any quantities, really - strips it out, and not one of the people I've asked outside our [very specialist] sector know what IPTC or EXIF data is or how to access it).
>>>
>>> BUT the resounding response from the list is clearly "yes, use it" :-)
>>>
>>> I totally accept that this might be useful for professional researchers, and from a geek point of view I'm impressed by the possibilities. I also really like that these images can potentially carry all their data with them, meaning the orphaning of images from their metadata could potentially become a non-issue.
>>>
>>> But - I'm looking at a scenario in which there is already a relatively complex workflow, and the overhead of adding this stuff is potentially considerable, so I have to ask whether the greater good is being served by doing it. The impression I'm getting is - no, not really.
>>>
>>> So I think what I'm taking away from this from a practical point of view is really this: if it can be done without making your workflow much more cumbersome, you might as well do it. So that's useful, thanks.
>>>
>>> <sorry>There's also a terrible irony - sorry to bang the drum again - that we're all dead keen on IPTC and EXIF but are surfacing (object) images on pages which often have really, really terrible SEO.</sorry>
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>>> Anyway. Thanks all!
>>>
>>> Mike
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>>>
>>> Angela Murphy wrote:
>>>> Best article on this is http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/blog/embedded-metadata-wont-help-seo.html
>>>> Not updated recently but the text makes clear how it could help -
>>>> and the many cases for embedded metadata not least the prospect for it to be used increasingly in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Angela
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 12:00, James Morley<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've asked this question on the list before and the answer was a resounding
>>>>> 'no' but I'll ask again as it seems pertinent, and things move rapidly ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do any search engines, major or specialised, extract and use image metadata
>>>>> in indexing and rankings? It strikes me that there could be huge benefits
>>>>> to doing this in terms of search accuracy, certainly for object based
>>>>> collections. Also, if they did it would encourage people to add metadata
>>>>> and also it would encourage sites not to strip it out. Until the spammers
>>>>> got stuck in of course, so perhaps another argument for them to pursue
>>>>> image analysis/recognition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, James
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> James Morley
>>>>> Work: labs.europeana.eu / [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Personal: www.jamesmorley.net / @jamesinealing
>>>>> Also: www.whatsthatpicture.com / @PhotosOfThePast
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 June 2015 at 23:42, Reser, Gregory<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeffery's Exif Viewer is very good. On Firefox you can add the plugin to
>>>>>> your button bar for one-click viewing.
>>>>>> http://regex.info/exif.cgi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Embedded MetaData Explorer has a nice UI
>>>>>> http://embedmydata.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg Reser
>>>>>> UC San Diego Library
>>>>>> 9500 Gilman Drive, 0175K
>>>>>> La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: 858.246.0998
>>>>>> Skype: gregreser
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ben
>>>>>> Rubinstein
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPTC / EXIF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The National Portrait Gallery embed half a dozen IPTC fields concerned
>>>>>> with title, caption, 'instructions', copyright etc into all the images for
>>>>>> their online collection (but not images published through the CMS), on top
>>>>>> of whatever data comes from the image production chain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We implemented this six+ years ago, and I don't know whether there's ever
>>>>>> been evidence about how useful it is. But (once there's an automated
>>>>>> pipeline
>>>>>> anyway) I don't think it adds much effort to the process, and I think it
>>>>>> comes into the category of why wouldn't you do this? (Obviously, I don't
>>>>>> speak for the NPG.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (On a related topic - there's an excellent extension for Firefox, "FxIF",
>>>>>> which (in spite of the name) puts the IPTC data of any image a right-click
>>>>>> away. On Chrome I've only been able to find extensions which read the EXIF
>>>>>> data, nothing that reports IPTC data - does anyone have a recommendation?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/06/2015 10:33, Mike Ellis wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone bother embedding museumy IPTC / EXIF data into
>>>>>>> (collections) images as part of their digitisation workflow?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, why? I'd suspect that a "so that people knew where the image came
>>>>>> from"
>>>>>>> reason may be one - but in reality do people actually _know_ about
>>>>>>> this data in order to get back to the source organisation? Or are
>>>>>>> tools like Google "upload an image" search or TinEye actually more used?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also - given that there is evidence that almost all social media sites
>>>>>>> strip out some or all of this data, is it still worthwhile?
>>>>>>> (http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/socialmedia/)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
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