I'm sure most geeks can figure out how to access EXIF data pretty quickly... And isn't it used extensively on Flickr?
To ask a different question, can a museum worth its name justify creating *more* orphan works?
Cheers, Mia
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> On 9 Jun 2015, at 10:55, Mike Ellis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Some more really interesting stuff, thanks everyone.
>
> Even given the wave of positivenesses from the list, I'm still dubious from any kind of practical perspective (Google doesn't use it, social - the only way stuff gets shared in any quantities, really - strips it out, and not one of the people I've asked outside our [very specialist] sector know what IPTC or EXIF data is or how to access it).
>
> BUT the resounding response from the list is clearly "yes, use it" :-)
>
> I totally accept that this might be useful for professional researchers, and from a geek point of view I'm impressed by the possibilities. I also really like that these images can potentially carry all their data with them, meaning the orphaning of images from their metadata could potentially become a non-issue.
>
> But - I'm looking at a scenario in which there is already a relatively complex workflow, and the overhead of adding this stuff is potentially considerable, so I have to ask whether the greater good is being served by doing it. The impression I'm getting is - no, not really.
>
> So I think what I'm taking away from this from a practical point of view is really this: if it can be done without making your workflow much more cumbersome, you might as well do it. So that's useful, thanks.
>
> <sorry>There's also a terrible irony - sorry to bang the drum again - that we're all dead keen on IPTC and EXIF but are surfacing (object) images on pages which often have really, really terrible SEO. </sorry>
>
> Anyway. Thanks all!
>
> Mike
>
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> Angela Murphy wrote:
>> Best article on this is http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/blog/embedded-metadata-wont-help-seo.html
>> Not updated recently but the text makes clear how it could help -
>> and the many cases for embedded metadata not least the prospect for it to be used increasingly in the future.
>>
>> Angela
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 12:00, James Morley<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've asked this question on the list before and the answer was a resounding
>>> 'no' but I'll ask again as it seems pertinent, and things move rapidly ...
>>>
>>> Do any search engines, major or specialised, extract and use image metadata
>>> in indexing and rankings? It strikes me that there could be huge benefits
>>> to doing this in terms of search accuracy, certainly for object based
>>> collections. Also, if they did it would encourage people to add metadata
>>> and also it would encourage sites not to strip it out. Until the spammers
>>> got stuck in of course, so perhaps another argument for them to pursue
>>> image analysis/recognition.
>>>
>>> Cheers, James
>>>
>>> ---
>>> James Morley
>>> Work: labs.europeana.eu / [log in to unmask]
>>> Personal: www.jamesmorley.net / @jamesinealing
>>> Also: www.whatsthatpicture.com / @PhotosOfThePast
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8 June 2015 at 23:42, Reser, Gregory<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jeffery's Exif Viewer is very good. On Firefox you can add the plugin to
>>>> your button bar for one-click viewing.
>>>> http://regex.info/exif.cgi
>>>>
>>>> Embedded MetaData Explorer has a nice UI
>>>> http://embedmydata.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg Reser
>>>> UC San Diego Library
>>>> 9500 Gilman Drive, 0175K
>>>> La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 858.246.0998
>>>> Skype: gregreser
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ben
>>>> Rubinstein
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: IPTC / EXIF
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>
>>>> The National Portrait Gallery embed half a dozen IPTC fields concerned
>>>> with title, caption, 'instructions', copyright etc into all the images for
>>>> their online collection (but not images published through the CMS), on top
>>>> of whatever data comes from the image production chain.
>>>>
>>>> We implemented this six+ years ago, and I don't know whether there's ever
>>>> been evidence about how useful it is. But (once there's an automated
>>>> pipeline
>>>> anyway) I don't think it adds much effort to the process, and I think it
>>>> comes into the category of why wouldn't you do this? (Obviously, I don't
>>>> speak for the NPG.)
>>>>
>>>> (On a related topic - there's an excellent extension for Firefox, "FxIF",
>>>> which (in spite of the name) puts the IPTC data of any image a right-click
>>>> away. On Chrome I've only been able to find extensions which read the EXIF
>>>> data, nothing that reports IPTC data - does anyone have a recommendation?)
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/06/2015 10:33, Mike Ellis wrote:
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone bother embedding museumy IPTC / EXIF data into
>>>>> (collections) images as part of their digitisation workflow?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, why? I'd suspect that a "so that people knew where the image came
>>>> from"
>>>>> reason may be one - but in reality do people actually _know_ about
>>>>> this data in order to get back to the source organisation? Or are
>>>>> tools like Google "upload an image" search or TinEye actually more used?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also - given that there is evidence that almost all social media sites
>>>>> strip out some or all of this data, is it still worthwhile?
>>>>> (http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/socialmedia/)
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
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