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Which is why I wrote "teach the need to consult a statistician", which is about raising awareness of statistical issues amongst potential users of statisticians, and which is extremely valuable. David On 24/06/2015 23:19, Alexandra Florea wrote: > That's a very elitist point of view. I respect it, but I will agree to > disagree. Basic literacy in statistics is necessary, even for those who > decide to consult the statistician. Have you never been exasperated with > statistical-illiterate people asking for advice as if statistics were > some sort of sorcery ? > On Thu 25 Jun 2015 at 00:15 David Wooff <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > This might be a view you don't want to hear, but don't teach statistics > superficially. Either teach it as a profession in its own right, deeply, > warts and all, or teach the need to consult a statistician. If your > students can't learn a tool such as R, it's a pretty good indication > that they can't learn statistics. > > David > > On 24/06/2015 22:02, Margaret MacDougall wrote: > > Dear Colleagues > > > > I would be interested to hear from those of you who have had the > > opportunity to explore free of charge graphics packages which have > > similar functionality for constructing graphs to that of the > commercial > > package SPSS. I would be grateful for any feedback on how useful such > > packages might prove for teaching purposes in higher education > > where learners are specifically non-specialist learners in > Statistics. > > These learners will not have the luxury of time in their courses to > > familiarize themselves with R as a preliminary learning task. > > > > Very many thanks > > > > Best wishes > > > > Margaret > > You may leave the list at any time by sending the command > > > > SIGNOFF allstat > > > > to [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>, > leaving the > > subject line blank. > > > > -- > Prof David Wooff D.Sc. C.Stat C.Sci FIMA FSS FHEA > Mathematical Sciences and Statistics and Mathematics Consultancy Unit, > Durham University, Science Labs, Stockton Road, Durham, DH1 3LE, UK. > email: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>, Tel: > 0191 334 3121, Fax: 0191 334 3051. > Web: http://maths.dur.ac.uk/stats/people/daw/daw.html > > You may leave the list at any time by sending the command > > SIGNOFF allstat > > to [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>, leaving > the subject line blank. > -- Prof David Wooff D.Sc. C.Stat C.Sci FIMA FSS FHEA Mathematical Sciences and Statistics and Mathematics Consultancy Unit, Durham University, Science Labs, Stockton Road, Durham, DH1 3LE, UK. email: [log in to unmask], Tel: 0191 334 3121, Fax: 0191 334 3051. Web: http://maths.dur.ac.uk/stats/people/daw/daw.html You may leave the list at any time by sending the command SIGNOFF allstat to [log in to unmask], leaving the subject line blank.