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So glad this has tickled VAR-Lers as I'd hoped, even if in an unexpected direction. Any tickling is good tickling. As for the beeb's standards, the Australian article was from BBC Worldwide, which is a quite separate beast (profit-making, international, not funded by the licence fee). Perhaps an interesting comparative analysis to be done on how the capitalist pursuit of internet traffic drives editorial standards ;) Dave -- Dr. Dave Sayers Senior Lecturer, Dept Humanities, Sheffield Hallam University Honorary Research Fellow, Arts & Humanities, Swansea University (2009-2015) [log in to unmask] | http://shu.academia.edu/DaveSayers > On 6/05/2015 22:52, "Patrick, Peter L" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> I agree with Adam (but probably go further...) >> >> This might be more a topic for ADS-L but I am not willing to accept most >> of the ones in this article as Australian in origin - >> either the ones that are wildly common in everyday British English and >> seem likely to have been so for a long time, >> or those that I grew up with as American slang (eg "crash") and have >> never remotely associated with Oz. How they >> would have disseminated so widely by the early 1970s at latest, in an era >> with no Aussie TV etc in the US, etc, is beyond me... >> >> I suspect there is a strong ideological component in this claiming of >> origins, which runs something like this: >> >> The English are by definition all posh compared to Australians >> Thus British English vernacular cannot be authentic >> Anything vernacular found in Australia must therefore be Australian in >> origin >> >> The focus mainly seems to be on reclaiming from the Brits, as nearly all >> the items said to "have made their way into global English" >> are noticeably absent from US usage and sound very non-American (though I >> can't say about Canada which of course has many >> more Briticisms) to me. There may be a similar ideology aimed at US usage >> but it doesn't surface much here. >> >> Of course the article fudges tremendously by first saying "phrases >> derived from or chiefly used in Australian English ", and then going >> on to claim as "Australian" any items which are simply in common use down >> under. Since the OED entries make no reference to frequency >> to begin with, there is not even an argument that they are in MORE common >> use in OZ than the UK, much less that they originate from Oz. >> >> Pretty poor from the Beeb. Will the election coverage later this week be >> equally unreliable?... >> -p- >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Variationist List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam >> Schembri >> Sent: 06 May 2015 12:02 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Court says Skype's name is too similar to Sky's >> >> Well, while we’re on the topic of the BBC website, Dave, I don’t really >> buy this: >> >> http://www.test.bbc.com/culture/story/20150427-pervs-greenies-and-ratbags >> >> As an Australian who lived in London for nearly five years, it’s quite >> clear where we Australians got ‘mate’ and ‘bloody’ from. I don’t buy that >> some of the others are Australian: ‘selfie’ may have first been recorded >> in Australia, but I suspect it was created independently in multiple >> parts of the English speaking world. >> >> Cheers, >> Adam >> >> >> -- >> >> Assoc. 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