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Hi Chris, I agree with you on the purpose of the list. If the list were to agree to assume good faith and not to permit any form of attacking of the integrity of other academics I would be entirely supportive of that. I would be happy for the list to stay fully on topic as much as you, and equally I would like to have crtical and frank debate without having my integrity questioned, or one member assuming more right to free speech than another. I am fed up of being troll-called just because I post a comment in disagreement with that of someone else. I might be a trolling expert, but if people on an academic list disagree me they should attack my arguments and not me personally. If they want to attack me personally then they should stand against me in an election, but in academic networks then intellectual rigor should come above argumentum ad hominem. Best Wishes, Jonathan Bishop FRSA On Saturday, 23 May 2015, Chris Smith <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I am not generally moved to make contributions to this list as a ' fine > art' interloper. However, I believe these present exchanges are outside of > the purposes of this list and should be conducted elsewhere off list. They > serve no purpose to the many who wish to deal with the issues of research > and the PhD > Best Wishes > Christopher Smith > Editor Journal of Visual Art Practice > > On 23 May 2015 9:02 pm, Jonathan Bishop <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > Filippo Salustri, > > It might be in the past for you, but the people you have defamed are still > feeling the effect of your defamation every day. > > JISCMail deleted your posts because they were defamatory. > > You, Filippo Salustri, are essentially a cyber-terrorist, which must have > been why the Journal of Homeland Security and Emergency Management accepted > my paper interviewing one of the people affected by what is increasingly > showing to be malicious falsehood by you and others. > > Why is it, Filippo Salustri, on this list you are always promoting your > colleagues' conferences, but you are all too willing to call competing > conferences "fake"? > > Regards, > > Jonathan Bishop *LLM* > > On 23 May 2015 at 20:00, Filippo Salustri <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > We've been through this before (in 2013/2014), although many of the > emails > > were expunged by JISCmail because of the patently foolish posts by > Bishop. > > Of course, nothing is ever really gone from the internet, and they live > on > > at gmane.org and probably other web archive sites. > > I have appealed to the mods of this list to intervene as soon as > possible. > > Given that Bishop has decided to dredge up the past in his ridiculous > > attack against Nicolai (which included me too), I think the door is now > > wide open for me to both contact the administration of my university > about > > the continued harassment by Bishop. > > And I have kept records and copies of all emails on this matter since the > > very beginning > > > > \V/_ /fas > > > > *Prof. Filippo A. Salustri, Ph.D., P.Eng.* > > Email: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;> > > http://deseng.ryerson.ca/~fil/ > > > > On 23 May 2015 at 14:31, Jonathan Bishop <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > Hi Jack, > > > > > > I was not suggesting anything about Elsevier other than they are profit > > > making, so that shows Ken Friedman to be a hypocrite. > > > > > > Ken Friedman says he opposes profit-making academic ventures, but then > > has > > > his journal published by a for-profit company. > > > > > > In 2007 I had one of the Hottest Papers in Computer Science in an > > Elsevier > > > journal and that seminal paper now has over 220 citations, being among > > some > > > of the most cited papers in Computers in Human Behavior. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jonathan Bishop > > > > > > On 23 May 2015 at 17:35, jack Ox <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you Gunnar- > > > > > > > > I would like to add that Elsevier is one of the most reputable > > publishers > > > > in the scientific and academic world. To even suggest that they are > > > > anything less than legitimate is really a joke. > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > Jack Ox > > > > www.jackox.net<http://www.jackox.net> > > > > http://intermediaprojects.org/ > > > > > > > > Research Associate with the Center for Advanced Research Computing > > (CARC) > > > > at UNM > > > > Research Fellow at ART/SCI Lab, ATEC, UTDallas > > > > > > > > 2710 Hyder Ave SE > > > > Albuquerque, NM > > > > 87106 > > > > > > > > landline- 505-217-2167 > > > > cell 646-773-3324 > > > > > > > > On May 23, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Gunnar Swanson < > [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Based on previous posts to this list, I have to agree with > Nicolai's > > > > description of Bishop as a troll. Having seen the interactions in the > > > past, > > > > I believe that Katherine is mistaken in her assessment that he was > > > > criticizing behavior rather than mounting a personal attack. By all > > > > appearances, he was retaliating for Ken's previous comments rather > than > > > > arguing the case in hand. > > > > > > > > > > He was willfully ignoring the distinction between promoting > > legitimate > > > > academic efforts and the promotion of fraudulent and/or worthless > > > journals > > > > and conferences. I am not alone in objecting to the economic > structures > > > of > > > > academic publishing but if Bishop does not see the difference between > > > > legitimate (for profit) intellectual venues and those that exist only > > for > > > > profit and without academic value, then Nicolai is absolutely right: > He > > > > should be ignored. > > > > > > > > > > If one wants to argue the merits of a particular venue, that's > > > > legitimate. Claiming that having objected to the promotion of > > > > pseudo-academic junk subsequently disallows the promotion of anything > > is > > > > not legitimate. > > > > > > > > > > Katherine is correct in saying that "It’s a good thing that we > > > > collectively and openly discuss what is we feel is acceptable > behavior > > on > > > > this great resource" but I would quibble with the characterization > that > > > the > > > > list is something "we have built together." I have been an active > > > > participant for about fifteen years but Ken was in from the beginning > > and > > > > has been a mainstay even while other founders have reduced their > > > presence. > > > > If Ken sometimes seems proprietary about the list, he has earned that > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > In my time on the list, I have seen massive intellectual generosity > > on > > > > Ken's part and cannot remember a real contribution that Bishop has > > made. > > > > This is not to say that Ken is beyond criticism or that regular > posters > > > > should be treated as if beyond reproach. I have called Ken on the > rare > > > > times that I thought he was out of line and have no doubt about his > > > > willingness to return the favor. It is, however, slightly > disingenuous > > to > > > > pretend that he should be regarded as incidental to an effort by a > > > massive > > > > collective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gunnar > > > > > > > > > > Gunnar Swanson > > > > > East Carolina University > > > > > graphic design program > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ecu.edu/cs-cfac/soad/graphic/index.cfm > > > > > [log in to unmask] <javascript:;> > > > > > > > > > > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > > > > > 1901 East 6th Street > > > > > Greenville NC 27858 > > > > > USA > > > > > > > > > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > > > > [log in to unmask] <javascript:;> > > > > > +1 252 258-7006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;> > > > > > > > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > > > > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>> > > > > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > > > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>> > > > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>> > > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>> > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ > > This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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