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Folks, let's remember the saying: Don't feed the trolls. \V/_ /fas *Prof. Filippo A. Salustri, Ph.D., P.Eng.* Email: [log in to unmask] http://deseng.ryerson.ca/~fil/ On 23 May 2015 at 12:35, jack Ox <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thank you Gunnar- > > I would like to add that Elsevier is one of the most reputable publishers > in the scientific and academic world. To even suggest that they are > anything less than legitimate is really a joke. > > Jack > > Jack Ox > www.jackox.net > http://intermediaprojects.org/ > > Research Associate with the Center for Advanced Research Computing (CARC) > at UNM > Research Fellow at ART/SCI Lab, ATEC, UTDallas > > 2710 Hyder Ave SE > Albuquerque, NM > 87106 > > landline- 505-217-2167 > cell 646-773-3324 > > On May 23, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Gunnar Swanson <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > Based on previous posts to this list, I have to agree with Nicolai's > description of Bishop as a troll. Having seen the interactions in the past, > I believe that Katherine is mistaken in her assessment that he was > criticizing behavior rather than mounting a personal attack. By all > appearances, he was retaliating for Ken's previous comments rather than > arguing the case in hand. > > > > He was willfully ignoring the distinction between promoting legitimate > academic efforts and the promotion of fraudulent and/or worthless journals > and conferences. I am not alone in objecting to the economic structures of > academic publishing but if Bishop does not see the difference between > legitimate (for profit) intellectual venues and those that exist only for > profit and without academic value, then Nicolai is absolutely right: He > should be ignored. > > > > If one wants to argue the merits of a particular venue, that's > legitimate. Claiming that having objected to the promotion of > pseudo-academic junk subsequently disallows the promotion of anything is > not legitimate. > > > > Katherine is correct in saying that "It’s a good thing that we > collectively and openly discuss what is we feel is acceptable behavior on > this great resource" but I would quibble with the characterization that the > list is something "we have built together." I have been an active > participant for about fifteen years but Ken was in from the beginning and > has been a mainstay even while other founders have reduced their presence. > If Ken sometimes seems proprietary about the list, he has earned that right. > > > > In my time on the list, I have seen massive intellectual generosity on > Ken's part and cannot remember a real contribution that Bishop has made. > This is not to say that Ken is beyond criticism or that regular posters > should be treated as if beyond reproach. I have called Ken on the rare > times that I thought he was out of line and have no doubt about his > willingness to return the favor. It is, however, slightly disingenuous to > pretend that he should be regarded as incidental to an effort by a massive > collective. > > > > > > Gunnar > > > > Gunnar Swanson > > East Carolina University > > graphic design program > > > > http://www.ecu.edu/cs-cfac/soad/graphic/index.cfm > > [log in to unmask] > > > > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > > 1901 East 6th Street > > Greenville NC 27858 > > USA > > > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > > [log in to unmask] > > +1 252 258-7006 > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> > > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------