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I've been accessing the list for 11 years and can't imagine life without it happy to support anything to keep it going - Thanks Anne and Karen On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Rita Ogden <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I am a very keen supporter of the OH Jiscmail service and I would even go > so far as to say this is how I gain clinical supervision. Those who know me > will be aware that I have been missing from the list for almost 6 months > due to problems with my work area's email system. Both Anne and Karen > worked hard over several months to enable me to continue accessing Jisc and > equally offering any support to other Jisc members.....this is what we do! > I really missed Jisc and I have had to open a new email account to be able > to access emails again. I am so glad I did but without the support of both > Anne and Karen I would still be Jiscmail-less and bereft! I salute you both. > Kind regards, > Rita > Rita Ogden > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 10:45:24 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Please read > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Now retired I have seen over the last 15yrs or so the List turn from a > friendly helpful bunch of Nurses to a friendly helpful but very > professional bunch of dedicated Nurse practitioners. I am convinced that > the more we function as a group of Professional people the more likely > eventually we will be able to be seen as separate from the hopeless NMC. > Like many I landed in OH by chance but loved it from Day One. I marvel at > the knowledge and expertise of the List and never felt totally alone > knowing folk were out there who could help me as I always seemed to work > alone. > I also marvel at all the List 'supervisors' with their endless patience > and knowledge and commitment of their time. > The problems seem to repeat themselves such as issues with managers and HR > and their understanding of what we can and can't do and my heart goes out > to everyone in those situations - been there, got the tee shirt etc! Plus > having to cope with the NMC who never have understood our role nor seemed > to care very little to try and find out what we did as they set stupid > regulations against our registration. > I felt a real sense of loss when I left my registration but I remain > committed to the work and future of OH. I hope the List goes on and that > there will always be people like Ann and Karen to work tirelessly for us > all. > I still enjoy reading the emails and wish everyone real enjoyment with > your important work and may all your HR contact be good(I hope!). > Sue. > Sent from my iPhone > > On 21 May 2015, at 09:51, "Palfreyman Pamela (EAST AND NORTH HERTFORDSHIRE > NHS TRUST)" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Surprisingly (for those that know me!!) I am one of the more silent > members of JISC mainly due to time constraints, and I often wonder how > Anne and Karen manage to do all they do in a day and admire them greatly > for the amount of work they both put in on behalf of the OH community as > a whole, it always amazes me how quick people are to criticise others, > particularly when those people give up their time voluntarily and I just > wanted to add my support for the continued work that they both do. > > Regards > > *Pam* > Pamela Palfreyman > Head of Occupational Health Service > East & North Hertfordshire NHS Trust > Ext:6514Tel: 01438 286514 F: 01438 781510 > > *For general enquiries please email: [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/redir.aspx?C=PJZitFTWaE2K8aYqmyKmhcICBujzHtJImeutuJ1yQFGECUAxIwPBIK72T7g9jSY5k9wlPY8XsGM.&URL=mailto:occhealth.enh-tr%40nhs.net>* > *For Management Referrals please email: [log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]>* > *For Pre-placement enquiries please email: [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/redir.aspx?C=PJZitFTWaE2K8aYqmyKmhcICBujzHtJImeutuJ1yQFGECUAxIwPBIK72T7g9jSY5k9wlPY8XsGM.&URL=mailto:ohpreplacement.enh-tr%40nhs.net>* > > *SEQOHS* > > *Safe Effective Quality Occupational Health Service* > > *Cert No 0014* > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [log in to unmask] [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of [log in to unmask] [[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* 21 May 2015 09:36 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Please read > > Warning: This message contains unverified links which may not be safe. You should only click links if you are sure they are from a trusted source. > > Thanks for your supportive message. > > Although a I would love to receive remuneration I am not sure whether a > fee would be allowed under the JISC rules. Appreciation of what we do is > probably just as important as a payment, provided we don’t get moans. > Karen gave me a brief summary of the JISC survey and has written it up > before she circulates for me to have a look at. I haven’t had the time to > do that due to pressing work related issues organised. I will comment on > the survey once it is circulated as there are one or two points in > particular I may want to pick up on. > > I would like to make a comment about Karen. A bit of background – in > addition to co-managing JISC she has her own successful consultancy, like > myself and Marisa (UWS) is working with the Board of the AOHNP to look at > the possibility of establishing a Faculty of OH Nursing, joined myself and > Marisa to lobby the NMC regarding their poor understanding of OH, > contributes immeasurably to posting information on this list, I think she > is a board member of the Soc Occ Med and is completing a PhD. I don’t know > how she has the time to pack it all into a working week, and she does it > because she wants to support the profession. So, thank you Karen. > > Anne > > > On 21/05/2015 08:08, "Janet Patterson" < > [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote: > > The loss of the Anne or Karen would see the end of jismail and I am sure > most people refer to this site for the right reasons and use it with good > intentions. > It is very disheartening to hear the conflict you have had to deal with. > > In order for this to continue perhaps it should be looked at to be > resourced better with time and funding by a small annual subscription fee > (to cover your administration time Anne and Karen)? This would then > perhaps deter those wanting to use it for recruitment purposes as it will > stream line those who really want to network and share information and > practice issues. > > In order to see that this is kept up and running I would love to offer to > help however time is sadly greatly lacking in my life! > > Perhaps you could consult the jismailers on a survey to see if they will > be prepared to pay an annual subscription fee to ensure your time is > allocated accordingly as it appears that like many nurses you are running > on good will! > J > > > > *Janet Patterson RGN, RSCPHN- OH, MMEDSci, CMIOSH *Director – OHN Services > Black and Banton > > Tel: 0191 487 10 40 / mobile 07557 768112 > *Black and Banton providing occupational and physical health services*: > health surveillance - medicals - drugs and alcohol testing - HAVS, > ergonomics - stress management - sickness absence - training - health > promotion campaigns - osteopathy - remedial massage - sports injuries - > deep tissue massage - bad back treatment - stress counselling - offshore > medicals - injury prevention advice - flu and travel vaccinations - first > aid training > > The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of > the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain > legally privileged information. 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If you have received this email in error > please immediately advise us by return email and delete the email document > without making a copy. > > Black and Banton Limited reserves the right to monitor e-mails in > accordance with the Telecommunications (Lawful Business Practice) > (Interception of Communications) Regulations 2000. > > Registered in England and Wales No. 04423463 at C4 Kingfisher House, > Kingsway North, Team Valley, Gateshead UK NE11 0JQ > > > > > > > *From:* [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx> [ > mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf > Of *[log in to unmask] <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > *Sent:* 20 May 2015 22:30 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > *Subject:* [OCC-HEALTH] Please read > > Thank you for this apology, Jane. I think Karen will appreciate this. > > There are a few subscribers who are new to the list and it is > unsurpristing that from time to time we have to put out a reminder ground > rules > > I appreciate the shock of finding yourself redundant, particularly on a > return following a period of leave. I am sure I was not the only one to > have written directly to the person who originally posted to indicate that > we are thinking of her. > > The reason Karen asked subscribers not to put job posts “on-list” is that > it is not the purpose of JISC, they should be sent directly “off-list”. > Some subscribers will remember that a few years ago recruiters were > posting jobs on a daily basis, they were beginning to take over the list > and “Friday funnies” were the norm. We put an end to those postings as they > were diluting the professionalism of this resource. They could have posted > helpful information relating to OH and it was at the time of the passing of > the EqAct. Make no mistake they weren’t pink and fluffy lets support the OH > practitioners by telling them about some nice jobs. Their rationale was to > hit their targets enhancing their bonuses. Some recruiters make a lot of > money but it depends on how successful they are – JISC must have been like > manna from Heaven to those people. At that time I received calls on my > work phone number from recruiters who objected to being stopped from > posting. Some verged on being abusive. Karen and I manage this list in our > own time, on top of demanding jobs and with no remuneration, and it is > often a thankless task. > > The list is funded through the Higher Education Funding Council as an > educational (and professional) resource. As list managers we are > responsibile for ensuring compliance with the ground rules misuse of the > list. Postings may be audited: inappropriate postings put the list at risk. > In short it must be both professional and educational, it is not facebook. > I believe that JISC-OH has the largest membership of all the JISC lists and > it is international. I am a member of four JISC lists and co-manage two of > them. > *I have never seen the level of abruptness on those sites that I sometimes > read on here or have witnessed first hand as highlighted above. * > It is a requirement that one of the co-managers has to be employed in HE. > That limits the number of people who can take the list on. Both Karen and I > have discussed withdrawing our services, in which case the list could fold. > We are both tired of the abusive calls (as above), off-list emails > including: “its not fair” “why can they say XYZ when I can’t”, “why do you > admonish me but not them” - we do respond to inappropriate emails but do so > off list. This evening Karen showed me an email thread from someone whose > emails are encapsulated above, and they kept sending them. Neither Karen > nor I have the time nor the inclination to respond to such emails. > > Just this weekend I had a request for phone advice from a JISCer, I was > more than happy to offer them support and spent over an hour on the phone > to them. I know my support made a difference to them and that is why I was > happy to speak to them as I would value similar support if I were in the > same position and I am happy to continue to support them. If there is > another academic who would be prepared to take the above flack perhaps they > would like to contact me off-list to volunteer their services, be prepared > that it may make a significant dent in your free time. > > Anne > Anne Harriss > Co-owner JISC-OH > > > > On 20/05/2015 18:48, "Jane mountain" <[log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote: > > now I feel bad-- > I didn't mean this literally Karen- I am very sorry. You know email -- I > hit the keys then following pressing sent I realised that perhaps that was > not the right thing to do-- sorry we all have big hearts and the mail > struck a cord with me in particular.. > I get your comments too, thanks > Jane > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > *From:* Allison Caine <mailto:[log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:13 > *To:* Occupational Health mailing list <mailto:[log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]>> > > I agree with both Jane and Karen's comments but Karen Coomer is correct, > this support can be provided off line as I did to prevent in-boxes > overflowing. > > Kind regards > Allison Caine > Director OHBM Ltd > Direct Phone/Fax: 01625 268609 > Mobile: 07733 125558 > Email: [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > Website: www.ohbm.co.uk <http://www.ohbm.co.uk> <http://www.ohbm.co.uk> > > > > > On 20/05/2015 15:48, KAREN HUYTON wrote: > > > > > > > Well said > > > > Regards > > > > Karen > > > > > > Karen L Huyton > > Occupational Health Advisor > > RGN OHND > > > > > > > > *From:* [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx> [ > mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf > Of *Jane mountain > *Sent:* 20 May 2015 15:39 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > *Subject:* Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Redundancy > > > > > > > > > Karen > > > > > I completely understand the rules and regulations of this forum as do > others I am sure , but if we cannot express support and understanding to > our colleague's then its really disappointing and seems too harsh- have a > heart we are nurses after all and we do care > > > > > Regards > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Karen Coomer <mailto:[log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:50 > *To:* Occupational Health mailing list <mailto:[log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not discuss jobs on jisc, reply to Jo off line. > > > > Thank you > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx> [ > mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf > Of *Diane Lindsey-Swaffield > *Sent:* 19 May 2015 18:11 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <https://web.nhs.net/OWA/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > *Subject:* Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Redundancy > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > So sorry to hear this! > > > > > > > > > > IMASS are looking for an OHNA in Plymouth. 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