Re: [OCC-HEALTH] OCC-HEALTH] Surveillance without paperworkerrrr, can I just say that the charges are nothing to do with me....lol
One of the companies I work for states on the employee letter that non attendance will be charged at £30 per OHA missed apt and £60 for OHP... (I think this is an HR generated letter).
Roberta
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Roberta,
Out of interest how much do you charge?
Kerry
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On 22 May 2015, at 13:51, "Roberta Hanlon" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I'm really not sure how this is enforced as I have nothing to do with that aspect. The letter for apt is sent from HR and the details of charge for non attendance is included. I also don't know if this is ever actually enforced. The charge for missing OHP apt is twice that of OHA.. This clinic has very close to 100% attendance.
Roberta
On 22 May 2015, at 12:31, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I am not sure if I would agree with the charging element for those who DNA. But - how does the employer enforce the charge? It is illegal to make such a deduction from the employee’s salary. If I was told to make such a payment then the person requesting payment would get short shrift, particularly If I was feeling very aggrieved. I challenged our VC in a 1:1 meeting on something I disagreed with last week – that is the equivalent of going straight to the Chief Executive. I think he was surprised I did but it was something I felt very strongly about and the only person with the power to overturn it was himself. I left him with some food for thought. I await the outcome.
Anne
Anne Harriss
Course Director
LONDON SOUTH BANK UNIVERSITY
On 22/05/2015 11:16, "Roberta Hanlon" <wlmailhtml:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
In some of the companies I work for, the employee gets charged a fee for not showing up for an appointment. This does improve the attendance rate greatly but perhaps increases the risk of not engaging?
Roberta
On 22 May 2015, at 06:23, Sharon Naylor <wlmailhtml:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
If I understand this correctly, he attended the appointment but then refused to engage with the process? In my opinion it really doesn't matter that he turned up, it's irrelevant if he then didn't/wouldn't do the rest. I wonder why he bothered attending at all, seems a bit pointless. .
Carr Barnes <wlmailhtml:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi
I agree also that there was no way you could carry out assessment. They have a legal duty to comply under the health and safety legislation but what actually happens if they don't needs to be supported by robust policy as much as possible.
This article http://www.personneltoday.com/hr/protecting-staff-with-workplace-health-surveillance/ states that "If an employee refuses to take part in a health surveillance programme, the employer must explore their rationale for the decision and attempt to persuade them to reconsider their actions. If an employee continues to refuse the required assessments, the employer should exclude them from further hazard exposure." I presume your customer needs this guy to do his contracted role and therefore may have to look to terminating contract of this employee if, given another bite at the cherry once he understands the consequences, he still refuses.
Harsh maybe ,.. but I suspect fair as what else can the employer do? He has to standby the need and importance of health surveillance.
Regards
Carr
On 21 May 2015 at 22:40, Allison Caine <wlmailhtml:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I have had this issue with a few small companies and I gave the same advice Lyndsey has, this is a management decision. It is also worth pointing out to the company that they are not complying with their legal obligations under MHSW Regs, COSHH etc and the HSE is likely to take action if aware.
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On 21/05/2015 16:26, Lyndsey Marchant wrote:
My opinion is that he was not compliant with the service although he was compliant with attending. So no health surveillance could be done. No consent no medical. How would you know that he had not recently had surgery for example before doing the spiro?
I think you did the right thing.
Without doing the health surveillance you cannot know that the gentleman is being damaged by the hazards in the workplace, so I would advise that I was unable to declare his fitness to work. Without this the company would have to make their own decision ( and most won't). it should be written in their policy that staff should comply with health surveillance. My opinion, is if the chap does not so health surveillance he should not be exposed to health risk and therefore should not work.
Warm Regards
Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marchant Dip HERN(A), BA SCPHN(OH)
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Hi
Firstly thank you for the replies for technician placement. I have forwarded the emails and she is astounded that there are so many helpful people out there...(another reason for jisc!)
I have had a situation where after a load of persuading by a manager to attend, a welder refused to complete the questionnaires and sign a consent for surveillance, so I declined to do the tests as in my opinion I cannot carry out an assessment without them and also they give a history of past.The manager is now confused as to what to do next as the guy technically presented for surveillance ..... Anyone got any experience of this and where to direct the manager for guidance? They are a very small company with no h&s team....
Jacqui
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