HI everyone
I have been working in an area with patchy internet so after feeding my kids
have only just caught sight of all the messages today. Thank you for the
supportive words, I don't want to give up jisc but there does come a time
when continued negative comments can sap the spirit of even the most
resilient..
I have also been driving a lot and so have had some thinking time and I have
come to the conclusion that with the trend in OH lone working and the
inherent need for most nurses to feel a sense of community and team work
(that's the psychology part of me talking) there is a general lack of
support for OHN's, I have actually thought this for years. The amount of
private e-mails and calls I get asking for help and advice (so does Anne) is
testimony to that. Jisc can cater for some of the needs but as has already
been discussed we have to work within a framework of jisc rules and ensure
it is a forum catering for educational and professional issues, this suits
some but not others. I think the OH Facebook pages also do a good job in
catering for a more relaxed chatty style of communication, Diane and Grant
do a sterling job in keeping that going but again this does not suit
everyone.
I along with others am involved with the setup of the new Faculty of
Occupational Health Nursing and so I think that within the work that we do
what is required is some research on what OH nurses need and want to feel
supported in order to fulfil the professional and emotional mix of modern
occupational health nursing. We then need to develop different platforms of
communication to cater for everyone. The experience of jisc will help that
work. Care comes in many forms - one of the things I have been accused of
recently (by someone in OH) is being overly academic and not very 'nurse
like'. At the time I found it amusing but really what that person did not
like is the fact that I challenged their viewpoint using an objective
evidence based argument and an assertive style - it was not the friendly or
subservient behaviour they expected from a nurse - shame for them because I
strongly feel that to push OH nursing forward we have to be able to present
our corner professionally and there is nothing wrong with that if it is done
with respect and courteous behaviour, I hope that jisc reflects those
values.
I will be sending out the jisc mail survey results later.
All best wishes
Karen
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of [log in to unmask]
Sent: 20 May 2015 22:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Please read
Thank you for this apology, Jane. I think Karen will appreciate this.
There are a few subscribers who are new to the list and it is unsurpristing
that from time to time we have to put out a reminder ground rules
I appreciate the shock of finding yourself redundant, particularly on a
return following a period of leave. I am sure I was not the only one to have
written directly to the person who originally posted to indicate that we are
thinking of her.
The reason Karen asked subscribers not to put job posts "on-list" is that
it is not the purpose of JISC, they should be sent directly "off-list". Some
subscribers will remember that a few years ago recruiters were posting jobs
on a daily basis, they were beginning to take over the list and "Friday
funnies" were the norm. We put an end to those postings as they were
diluting the professionalism of this resource. They could have posted
helpful information relating to OH and it was at the time of the passing of
the EqAct. Make no mistake they weren't pink and fluffy lets support the OH
practitioners by telling them about some nice jobs. Their rationale was to
hit their targets enhancing their bonuses. Some recruiters make a lot of
money but it depends on how successful they are - JISC must have been like
manna from Heaven to those people. At that time I received calls on my
work phone number from recruiters who objected to being stopped from
posting. Some verged on being abusive. Karen and I manage this list in our
own time, on top of demanding jobs and with no remuneration, and it is often
a thankless task.
The list is funded through the Higher Education Funding Council as an
educational (and professional) resource. As list managers we are
responsibile for ensuring compliance with the ground rules misuse of the
list. Postings may be audited: inappropriate postings put the list at risk.
In short it must be both professional and educational, it is not facebook.
I believe that JISC-OH has the largest membership of all the JISC lists and
it is international. I am a member of four JISC lists and co-manage two of
them. I have never seen the level of abruptness on those sites that I
sometimes read on here or have witnessed first hand as highlighted above.
It is a requirement that one of the co-managers has to be employed in HE.
That limits the number of people who can take the list on. Both Karen and I
have discussed withdrawing our services, in which case the list could fold.
We are both tired of the abusive calls (as above), off-list emails
including: "its not fair" "why can they say XYZ when I can't", "why do you
admonish me but not them" - we do respond to inappropriate emails but do so
off list. This evening Karen showed me an email thread from someone whose
emails are encapsulated above, and they kept sending them. Neither Karen nor
I have the time nor the inclination to respond to such emails.
Just this weekend I had a request for phone advice from a JISCer, I was
more than happy to offer them support and spent over an hour on the phone to
them. I know my support made a difference to them and that is why I was
happy to speak to them as I would value similar support if I were in the
same position and I am happy to continue to support them. If there is
another academic who would be prepared to take the above flack perhaps they
would like to contact me off-list to volunteer their services, be prepared
that it may make a significant dent in your free time.
Anne
Anne Harriss
Co-owner JISC-OH
On 20/05/2015 18:48, "Jane mountain" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
now I feel bad--
I didn't mean this literally Karen- I am very sorry. You know email -- I hit
the keys then following pressing sent I realised that perhaps that was not
the right thing to do-- sorry we all have big hearts and the mail struck a
cord with me in particular..
I get your comments too, thanks
Jane
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From: Allison Caine <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:13
To: Occupational Health mailing list <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
I agree with both Jane and Karen's comments but Karen Coomer is correct,
this support can be provided off line as I did to prevent in-boxes
overflowing.
Kind regards
Allison Caine
Director OHBM Ltd
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On 20/05/2015 15:48, KAREN HUYTON wrote:
Well said
Regards
Karen
Karen L Huyton
Occupational Health Advisor
RGN OHND
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Jane mountain
Sent: 20 May 2015 15:39
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Redundancy
Karen
I completely understand the rules and regulations of this forum as do
others I am sure , but if we cannot express support and understanding to our
colleague's then its really disappointing and seems too harsh- have a heart
we are nurses after all and we do care
Regards
Jane
Sent from Windows Mail
From: Karen Coomer <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:50
To: Occupational Health mailing list <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Please do not discuss jobs on jisc, reply to Jo off line.
Thank you
Karen
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Diane Lindsey-Swaffield
Sent: 19 May 2015 18:11
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Redundancy
Jo
So sorry to hear this!
IMASS are looking for an OHNA in Plymouth. Check details posted on the
Facebook page.
Take care
Diane
Sent from my iPhone
On 19 May 2015, at 10:07, Jo Clayton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear List,
I have come off my hols this morning to be informed I am to be made
redundant :o(
Totally not expected so I'm in complete shock!
I live in Plymouth so if any of you lovely folk hear of any vacancies I'd be
really grateful.
Best wishes
Jo
Jo Clayton
Occupational Health Specialist Practitioner
RGN/ BSc SCPHN
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