I agree, Heather. We're an independent library and as such we're not part of any consortium so we have to digest and apply RDA on our own and that puts a lot of pressure on us. Although our team of 8 cataloguers plus 2 volunteers may seem large, some of our cataloguers - myself included - have other duties and with 8,000-10,000 new books a year (many of which we catalogue from scratch) we struggle to find enough time to tackle our retrospective cataloguing project. Having used RDA for a few months now it is obvious to me that there is a very real need to keep tweaking some instructions and I think that because of this updates are not only inevitable but desirable. However, I think many libraries will find adopting the new standard very hard and staying aware of and implementing numerous updates almost impossible. 


Any effort to summarise, simplify and publicise updates would be a great help for many of us.




From: CIG E-Forum <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Heather Jardine <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 12 May 2015 12:00
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] CIG e-forum: RDA Updates and Developments: Welcome
 
I am still lurking on the e-forum, although retired and therefore happily disengaged from RDA. I recall very clearly when RDA was published, and especially because of the subscription model, that many libraries felt they lacked the resources to implement and that the world would be split between the "big players" (in the UK, the BL and copyright libraries) and the rest, who would take what they could find where they could find it, and learn to embrace the hybrid. Things haven't improved since then with cataloguing resources being increasingly reduced. Will not the release of updates make the gulf between RDA implementers and the rest even wider and harder to bridge (i.e. even those able to make the big leap to RDA will be unable to keep on running to keep up with updates)?

Heather Jardine


Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:35:37 +0000
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] CIG e-forum: RDA Updates and Developments: Welcome
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Bedford BC - OFFICIAL-Unsecure

 

Hello

 

I’m Jeannine Carroll, Stock Team Leader in the Libraries’ Hub at Bedford Borough Council. I’m also a new CIG representative on the CILIP/BL Committee on RDA.

 

Like Andrew we buy in most of our catalogue records and have a hybrid system. Our LMS is not updated for the new MARC fields though, so we are losing some information when we import. At the moment we don’t use RDA for any records that are created in-house and, much as I would like this to change, I’m not sure we will ever have the time or the staff to implement it. Again like Andrew, we have lost all our qualified specialists as they’ve retired, so I’ve taken over as a para-professional and have been training other members of staff to check and create catalogue records.

 

 

Jeannine Carroll

Stock Team Leader

 

The Libraries’ Hub, Bedford Borough Council, Riverside Building, Cauldwell Street, Bedford MK42 9AP

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From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Coburn, Acquisitions & Cataloguing Librarian
Sent: 12 May 2015 11:01
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] CIG e-forum: RDA Updates and Developments: Welcome

 

I was expecting to lurk for the same reason as Martin.

We have not implemented RDA so far as the very limited amount of original cataloguing or updates that we do, is concerned.

On the other hand our LMS is updated for new MARC fields and most of the records we import are to RDA standards so you could say that we are de facto a hybrid system.

As our two specialist cataloguers retired/ were made redundant and I have enough other things going on there is little prospect of any RDA implementation other than as described above

 

Andrew Coburn

Acquisitions & Cataloguing Librarian
Customer Operations - Libraries

Essex County Council
Telephone: 03330139396

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From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Danskin, Alan
Sent: 12 May 2015 10:36
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] CIG e-forum: RDA Updates and Developments: Welcome

 

Good to hear from you Martin.  I wonder how typical your experience is of institutions in the UK.  Is there anyone else out there in the same position?  Or anyone who has actually tackled the updates?

 

Alan Danskin

Metadata Standards Manager

British Library

Boston Spa

Wetherby

West Yorkshire

LS23 7BQ

 

Tel: +44(0)1937 546669

mobile: 07833401117

 

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From: Kelleher, Martin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 12 May 2015 10:27
To: Danskin, Alan; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: CIG e-forum: RDA Updates and Developments: Welcome

 

Hi

 

I’m Martin, Metadata Manager from the University of Liverpool. Here are my responses to the initial set of questions:

 

Q1:  Were you aware of the RDA update?  How did you become aware of it? Should have been but haven’t been paying enough attention to the RDA list!

Q2: To what extent were you aware of the changes before the Update was released? Not very

Q3: What is your plan for implementing the Update? When we actually apply RDA

Q4: What are the barriers to implementation in your institution? Deprioritization of cataloguing from Senior Managers, Heavy reduction of staff involved in cataloguing, priority of changing library system

Q5: What impact do you anticipate the changes will have on workflows? Very little, as with RDA even when we implement it

Q6: What are your views on the frequency and scope of RDA Updates? Doesn’t seem too heavy, but then we’re not using it yet – I’m partially here to see what everyone else thinks, and to get an idea what kind of workforce everyone else has for maintaining catalogues, keeping up with changes etc.

 

I guess I’m not part of the main target group here J

 

Cheers

 

 

Martin

 

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From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Danskin, Alan
Sent: 12 May 2015 09:59
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [CIG-E-FORUM] CIG e-forum: RDA Updates and Developments: Welcome

 

Good morning!  Welcome to the CIG e-forum on RDA updates and developments.  I’ll be co-moderating along with  my colleague, Thurstan Young, and Bernadette O’Reilly (Bodleian Libraries). Gordon Dunsire, Chair of the Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA, will also be joining us during the course of the day. We’re delighted to have a number of people signed up to the e-forum and are looking forward to sharing knowledge, experience and questions.  We’ll have a lunch break between 12.30 and 2.00, but please feel free to keep posting over this time as well.  We will be wrapping up at 4pm.  

 

Broadly, the day is divided into a morning and afternoon session.  We have suggested some questions and issues for discussion in this session.

 

Tuesday morning session 10.00-12.30: RDA Update

Q1:  Were you aware of the RDA update?  How did you become aware of it?

Q2: To what extent were you aware of the changes before the Update was released?

Q3: What is your plan for implementing the Update?

Q4: What are the barriers to implementation in your institution?

Q5: What impact do you anticipate the changes will have on workflows?

Q6: What are your views on the frequency and scope of RDA Updates?

 

These will help give some direction to our discussions but they aren’t set in stone, so don't feel you can't post something you want to talk about if you are only around at a particular time of day.

 

If you are posting about something new, please put a relevant title in your subject so that those participating can keep track of conversations more easily.

 

On a practical note it might be worth me mentioning at the start of the day that messages sometimes take a little while to appear on JISCmail lists. Iif your message doesn't appear straight away then please don't worry or re-send.  We're not moderating the list, so it will get through.  

 

So, to kick us off for today, please feel free to introduce yourselves to the list and let us know where you are with the Update.

 

Alan

 

 

Alan Danskin

British Library representative to Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA

 

Metadata Standards Manager

British Library

Boston Spa

Wetherby

West Yorkshire

LS23 7BQ

 

Tel: +44(0)1937 546669

mobile: 07833401117

 

ISNI: 0000 0001 1825 6037

 


 
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