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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture In Eastern Orthodox iconography, Jeremiah usually holds just a scroll with a quotation from either his prophecy or Lamentations on it. But, one does sometimes see the Archangels (especially Michael) or Christ holding an orb (sometimes with a cross) that represents the universe. I can see an association with chrism or holy water, but one of my first thoughts, honestly, was a rose window. But, then, I'm a byzantinist so this Gothic sculpture stuff's a bit outside of my wheelhouse (assuming I even actually HAVE a wheelhouse). On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 6:30 AM, richard legault <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > In the North Transept Jambs of Chartres Cathedral, Jeremiah is depicted > holding an odd attribute I am at a loss to identify. The cross over some > sort of scalloped circular disc is described on the University of > Pittsburg's web site on Chartres, thusly: > > *He holds an object described as "a Greek Cross in a halo". Kidson > describes it as "a halo on which is superimposed the cross, signifying the > manner of Christ's death and glorification" (Kidson, p. 35). * > > *Image:* > *http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;q1=Jeremiah;size=20;c=chartres;back=back1428660998;subview=detail;resnum=8;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=chartres;entryid=x-fcspnc52d020;viewid=FCSPNC52D020.TIF > <http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;q1=Jeremiah;size=20;c=chartres;back=back1428660998;subview=detail;resnum=8;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=chartres;entryid=x-fcspnc52d020;viewid=FCSPNC52D020.TIF>* > > *Description: * > *http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;q1=Jeremiah;size=20;c=chartres;back=back1428660998;subview=detail;resnum=4;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=chartres;entryid=x-fcsp21632300;viewid=FCSP21632300.TIF > <http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;q1=Jeremiah;size=20;c=chartres;back=back1428660998;subview=detail;resnum=4;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=chartres;entryid=x-fcsp21632300;viewid=FCSP21632300.TIF>* > > As far as I know, halos are not usually considered to be material objects > that can be held in one's hands and I don't understand Kidson's > description. > > The object looks a bit like a Celtic cross, though usually the arms of > Celtic crosses extend past the circumference of the circle. > > The cross on a circle image used on its own is often considered a > consecration cross, a permanent marker of a location anointed with chrism > or holy water by a bishop during a consecration rite. However, this hardly > seems appropriate for the attribute of an old testament prophet. See > Examples: > https://heritagetortoise.wordpress.com/2014/04/16/more-cambrian-monuments/ > http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/thrigby/thrigby.htm > https://nerdindeutschland.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/dsc06169.jpg > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecration_crosses > > Does the scalloping of the disc or dish beneath the cross have any > significance? > Why is there a little protrusion or nodule or knob of some sort on the rim > of the disc (near the 11 o'clock position)? > Are there other medieval depictions of Jeremiah with such an object? > Are there instances of such an object used as an attribute of other > persons? > Has this statute at Chartres been mis-identified? > > I would love to know what this object is and understand why the sculptor > gave it to Jeremiah. > > Richard J Legault > > > ********************************************************************** To > join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: > [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: > unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to > report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] For further information, visit > our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion