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Dear Aldona, How likely do you think it is that your pit contains dung? Cattle and pigs forage (not sure if this is the right word) on acorns that have fallen off oak trees. So, could your pit be a 'dung' pit? I do not know the context (what else was found there besides plant remains) and whether this possibility makes sense, but given the other archaeobotanical components it is a possibility. I have seen cattle feed on acorns that have fallen from oak trees, I have collected the dung for analysis, for years now waiting in a bag in my office, just never found the time to do something with it.... If it makes sense and you need more info I could look at the 'digested' acorns. That was the reason I kept this dung, to see what effect digestion may have on acorn seed morphology. Best, Tania Quoting Aldona Mueller-Bieniek <[log in to unmask]>: > Thank you all for the info. We usually try to proof something unusual, > especially in our modern world and now it seems that acorns were only eaten > by humans in the past... Of course I can imagine that nobody fed animals > from pots or prepared acorns for them by roasting. But what if we found > acorns in a small storage pit accompanied by twigs and seeds/fruits of > grassland plants? Of course not only. There are also typical cultivars in > the pit. That is not clear. > Didn't people collect fodder for winters? In forested lanscape with > natural, hungry carnivors (like wolves and neighbours:) winters were > dangerous. If they did, what was used for storing? Why not pits? > Thank you all for a lot of data and litarature. It is and will be studied > With my best wishes > Aldona > > 2015-04-16 16:17 GMT+02:00 Anaya Sarpaki <[log in to unmask]>: > >> Hi Aldona, >> >> >> >> Yes as both Tania Valamoti and Helmut Kroll have mentioned, we do not need >> to consider acorns as fodder only. With some kind of processing they could >> be eaten. The ancient Arcadians (Greece) were known as the acorn eaters….! >> >> >> >> Best to you, Anaya >> >> >> >> *From:* The archaeobotany mailing list [mailto: >> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Helmut Kroll >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:56 PM >> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: acorns >> >> >> >> I do believe that these Bronze Age acorns are sweet acorns. There is Qu. >> virgiliana, an oak of the pubescens-family. With unknow distribution and >> history. >> >> Always peeled and in halves. For Human consumption. Food. Not fodder. >> >> >> Am 15.04.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Aldona Mueller-Bieniek <[log in to unmask] >> >: >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> thank you for the link. >> >> I've just registered and received pdf of the thesis Sarah Manson >> >> All the best >> >> Aldona >> >> >> >> 2015-04-15 14:37 GMT+02:00 Mark Nesbitt <[log in to unmask]>: >> >> Many UK theses, including Sarah's, are now available as free download (or, >> if wished, reasonably priced bound copy) from the British Library: >> >> http://ethos.bl.uk/ >> >> E.g. Sarah's >> http://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?did=4&uin=uk.bl.ethos.274576 >> >> In the past this excluded theses from Oxford & Cambridge; some are now >> available and will have a link from Ethos to the relevant institutional >> depository. >> >> Mark >> ________________________________________ >> From: The archaeobotany mailing list <[log in to unmask]> on >> behalf of Simone Riehl <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: 15 April 2015 12:05 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: acorns >> >> >> Dear Aldona, >> >> as concerns the ethnography the Ph.D. thesis of Sarah Mason would be a >> good source: Acorns in Human Subsistence. London, 1992. >> I think it was never published, but maybe someone would have a PDF. >> And another reference by the same author: >> Mason, S., 1995. Acornutopia? Determining the role of acorns in past >> subsistence, in: Wilkins, J., Harvey, D., Dobson, M. (Eds.), Food in >> antiquity, University of Exeter Press, Exeter, pp. 12-24. >> >> All the best, >> Simone >> >> Zitat von Aldona Mueller-Bieniek <[log in to unmask]>: >> >> > Dear Colleagues, >> > Could you give me any information about massive finds of acorns and their >> > context? We have such a find dated to the Bronze Age, located in SE >> Poland >> > (Lipnik near Przeworsk). I already had some access to Buurman J. 1986; >> > Jorgensen G. 1977; Karg S. and Haas JN 1996 and Vencl S. 1985. In all >> cases >> > acorns are discussed more like food than fodder. In our situation it >> seems >> > that acorns could represent rather fodder - on the basis of context of >> > diaspores and charcoal. Do anybody have examples of mixed storages of >> food >> > and fodder? How is it noted in ethnographic studies? Were those types of >> > storages always/usually separated? My intuition says - not, but I don't >> > have proper data. I would be grateful for any help. >> > With my best wishes >> > Aldona >> > >> > -- >> > dr hab. Aldona Mueller-Bieniek >> > Institute of Botany PAS >> > Lubicz 46 >> > PL31-512 Kraków >> > 0048 12 42 41 754 >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> PD Dr. Simone Riehl >> Institut für Naturwissenschaftliche Archäologie, Universität Tübingen >> und Senckenberg Center for Human Evolution and Palaeoenvironment (HEP) >> Rümelinstraße 23 >> 72070 Tübingen >> >> [log in to unmask] >> [log in to unmask] >> Tel. +49 (0)7071 2978915 >> http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Simone_Riehl >> http://uni-tuebingen.academia.edu/SimoneRiehl >> http://www.ademnes.de >> >> Senckenberg Gesellschaft für Naturforschung >> Rechtsfähiger Verein gemäß § 22 BGB >> Senckenberganlage 25 >> 60325 Frankfurt >> Direktorium: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Volker Mosbrugger, Prof. Dr. Andreas >> Mulch, Prof. Dr. h.c. Rolf Pfrengle, Prof. Dr. Katrin Böhning-Gaese, >> Prof. Dr. Uwe Fritz, PD Dr. Ingrid Kröncke >> >> Präsidentin: Dr. h.c. 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