Dear Aldona,

Please find attached two other references that might be of interest. If you are dealing with a really small pit and you don't have evidence of human activity or processing, you could also consider the possibility of being a squirrel cache.

Best wishes,

Inés

2015-04-16 15:53 GMT+01:00 Aldona Mueller-Bieniek <[log in to unmask]>:

Thank you all for the info. We usually try to proof something unusual, especially in our modern world and now it seems that acorns were only eaten by humans in the past... Of course I can imagine that nobody fed animals from pots or prepared acorns for them by roasting. But what if we found acorns in a small storage pit accompanied by twigs and seeds/fruits of grassland plants? Of course not only. There are also typical cultivars in the pit. That is not clear. 

Didn't people collect fodder for winters? In forested lanscape with natural, hungry carnivors (like wolves and neighbours:) winters were dangerous. If they did, what was used for storing? Why not pits?

Thank you all for a lot of data and litarature. It is and will be studied

With my best wishes

Aldona

2015-04-16 16:17 GMT+02:00 Anaya Sarpaki <[log in to unmask]>:

Hi Aldona,

 

Yes as both Tania Valamoti and Helmut Kroll have mentioned, we do not need to consider acorns as fodder only. With some kind of processing they could be eaten. The ancient Arcadians (Greece) were known as the acorn eaters….!

 

Best to you, Anaya

 

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Subject: Re: acorns

 

I do believe that these Bronze Age acorns are sweet acorns. There is Qu. virgiliana, an oak of the pubescens-family. With unknow distribution and history. 

Always peeled and in halves. For Human consumption. Food. Not fodder. 

Am 15.04.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Aldona Mueller-Bieniek <[log in to unmask]>:

Hi Mark,

thank you for the link. 

I've just registered and received pdf of the thesis Sarah Manson 

All the best

Aldona 

 

2015-04-15 14:37 GMT+02:00 Mark Nesbitt <[log in to unmask]>:

Many UK theses, including Sarah's, are now available as free download (or, if wished, reasonably priced bound copy) from the British Library:

http://ethos.bl.uk/

E.g. Sarah's
http://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?did=4&uin=uk.bl.ethos.274576

In the past this excluded theses from Oxford & Cambridge; some are now available and will have a link from Ethos to the relevant institutional depository.

Mark
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Subject: Re: acorns

Dear Aldona,

as concerns the ethnography the Ph.D. thesis of Sarah Mason would be a
good source: Acorns in Human Subsistence. London, 1992.
I think it was never published, but maybe someone would have a PDF.
And another reference by the same author:
Mason, S., 1995. Acornutopia? Determining the role of acorns in past
subsistence, in: Wilkins, J., Harvey, D., Dobson, M. (Eds.), Food in
antiquity, University of Exeter Press, Exeter, pp. 12-24.

All the best,
Simone

Zitat von Aldona Mueller-Bieniek <[log in to unmask]>:

> Dear Colleagues,
> Could you give me any information about massive finds of acorns and their
> context? We have such a find dated to the Bronze Age, located in SE Poland
> (Lipnik near Przeworsk). I already had some access to Buurman J. 1986;
> Jorgensen G. 1977; Karg S. and Haas JN 1996 and Vencl S. 1985. In all cases
> acorns are discussed more like food than fodder. In our situation it seems
> that acorns could represent rather fodder - on the basis of context of
> diaspores and charcoal. Do anybody have examples of mixed storages of food
> and fodder? How is it noted in ethnographic studies? Were those types of
> storages always/usually separated? My intuition says - not, but I don't
> have proper data. I would be grateful for any help.
> With my best wishes
> Aldona
>
> --
> dr hab. Aldona Mueller-Bieniek
> Institute of Botany PAS
> Lubicz 46
> PL31-512 Kraków
> 0048 12 42 41 754
>



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