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Yes very interesting. I don’t think the default license in Flickr (or other sites) is CC BY, so users would have to manually choose to apply this and in doing so, should be aware what CC BY entails*. In this sense Koppie Koppie (awful name) aren’t really exploiting anything and it would not be unethical. If it was a cat or skyline image, there wouldn’t be as much concern. If the images were taken from a Twitter or Facebook stream I suspect it would be more controversial as I don’t think there is any CC licensing there (other than the right that Fb can do whatever they want with it [although happy to be corrected]). *Of course though, I say the user ‘should be aware’ when they choose CC BY but not everybody is. Suzanne’s work is definitely welcome I think. Thanks for sharing Alex. Peter > On 2 Mar 2015, at 15:12, Suzanne Hardy <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Thanks for this Alex. > > Very interesting. > > It isn't concerned per se with licensing so much as issues of consent, privacy and ethics. And in the UK mare particularly with the concept of informed consent. The photos that Koppie Koppie are exploiting (ethically? unethically?) in their merchandising under Creative Commons assumes that the people who posted the photos on Flickr, and applied a CC license to them, had the permission of the parents/guardians (in the case of minors) to do so and that those adults knew that applying such a license would mean that the subjects of the photos might therefore appear anywhere. This has to be inferred consent as their is currently nowhere in CC licensing schemes to link to anything which might in turn link to a statement of informed consent. > > We can only infer that the people who posted the photos and applied the licences had in fact read and understood the terms and conditions of both Flickr and Creative Commons. > > I co-wrote an OpenEd paper with Jane Williams and Megan Quentin-Baxter some time ago proposing a Consent Commons to deal with exactly this type of thing (seehttp://openaccess.uoc.edu/webapps/o2/bitstream/10609/4864/6/Williams_editat.pdf <http://openaccess.uoc.edu/webapps/o2/bitstream/10609/4864/6/Williams_editat.pdf>) and we had a lovely case study which Megan wrote up here: http://responsible-innovation.org.uk/torrii/resource-detail/1472 <http://responsible-innovation.org.uk/torrii/resource-detail/1472> > > We also worked on some guidance which Jisc hosts (and which probably could do with some updating now) at http://www.jiscdigitalmedia.ac.uk/clinical-recordings/ <http://www.jiscdigitalmedia.ac.uk/clinical-recordings/> > > I'd love to see this issue debated more... > > > > > Suzanne > -- > > Suzanne Hardy > Senior Project Officer > Learning and Teaching Development Service (LTDS) > Room 2.70 Bedson Building > Newcastle University > Newcastle upon Tyne > NE1 7RU > > Tel: 0191 208 3264 > http://www.ncl.ac.uk/quilt <http://www.ncl.ac.uk/quilt> > > email: [log in to unmask] > mobile: 07790 905657 > skype: glitt3rgirl > > The Enterprise Shed: Making Ideas Happen starts 30 March > www.futurelearn.com/courses/enterprise-shed > > Hadrian's Wall: Life on the Roman Frontier > www.futurelearn.com/courses/hadrians-wall > > Ageing Well: Falls > www.futurelearn.com/courses/falls > > > > > > >> On 2 Mar 2015, at 14:48, Alex Fenlon <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I was surprised not to see the following link to the rounds last week- at least, I don’t think I saw it on the lists. >> >> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/02/26/koppie-koppie-sells-photos-of-your-kids-to-prove-you-shouldnt-post-them-online/ <https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/02/26/koppie-koppie-sells-photos-of-your-kids-to-prove-you-shouldnt-post-them-online/> >> >> As interesting piece about what can happen if CC is misunderstood/ misapplied to ‘sensitive’ content. (I do note that perhaps the licences haven’t been ‘mis-anything’ and that the authors are exploiting the spirit of the CC licences.) >> >> (Perhaps this is just a piece of ‘clever’ marketing.) >> >> Thanks >> >> Alex. >> >> Alex Fenlon, FHEA >> Copyright and Licensing Advisor, >> Library Services, University of Birmingham, >> Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 2TT >> T + 44 (0)121 414 4203 >> [log in to unmask] >> >> http://intranet.birmingham.ac.uk/library >> Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/UniBirminghamLibrary >> Follow us on Twitter @UoBLibServices >> >> The contents of this email may be privileged and are confidential. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other that the addressee, nor copied in any way. If received in error please notify the sender and then delete it from your system. Should you communicate with me by email, you consent to the University of Birmingham monitoring and reading any such correspondence. >> >> <image001.jpg> >> >> P Please consider the environment before printing this email. >