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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Since there is considerable interest in this image, I have just posted my own photos to the web: http://www.kornbluthphoto.com/MNWManSorrows.html It is not yet connected to the rest of my site or indexed. All further comments are welcome! Genevra On 3/9/2015 10:27 AM, Heintzelman, Matthew wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > One or two suggestions: > > Indeed, the man in the Jew's hat is spitting at Jesus, a common image of the taunting during the trial. See esp. images in the various copies of the Speculum Humanae Salvationis/Mirror of Human Salvation, where the association of this act with the Jews is exaggerated. This image provides a balance to the hand pointing at Jesus, also in a sign of taunting on the Cross (think: "he claimed he was the Son of God"). > > The hand on the right appears to be holding a bundle of sticks or some other device used for beating Jesus (again, see various images in the Speculum: http://cdm.csbsju.edu/cdm/ref/collection/HMMLClrMicr/id/19645 -- the upper left corner, from a manuscript in Cologne, Germany). Finally, the two crossed rods may be a reminder of the Crowning with thorns, which also appears in manuscripts of the Speculum with four men pushing down on the crown with crossed rods (http://cdm.csbsju.edu/cdm/ref/collection/HMMLClrMicr/id/19646, again the upper left corner) . > > Peace, > > Matt H. > > Curator, Austria/Germany Study Center; Rare Book Cataloger, Hill Museum& Manuscript Library (HMML) > Saint John's University, Collegeville, Minnesota 56321-7300 > Phone: 320-363-2795; Fax: 320-363-3222 > http://www.hmml.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ut in omnibus glorificetur Deus (1 Peter 4:11 / RB 57.9) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Judith K. Golden > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:17 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] ID for an Instrument of the Passion > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Going back to the crossed rods...there are images of Christ crowned with thorns, with two men holding crossed poles/rods, placing or pushing the crown of thorns on to the head of Christ, as in Princeton University Library ms Garrett 57, fol. 10r. > > http://ica.princeton.edu/images/princeton/ga57.010rb.jpg > > Judith K. Golden, Ph.D. > Reader > Index of Christian Art > A3 McCormick Hall > Princeton University > Princeton, NJ 08544-1018 > > [log in to unmask] > 609-258-7144 > > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ms B M Cook > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 4:38 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] ID for an Instrument of the Passion > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > A slightly off topic comment - Why can't we have reproductions of this on our Easter cards ? They'd be an improvement on the ubiquitous rabbit!! > > Brenda > > Brenda M. Cook > Independent Scholar > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Dillon > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 4:41 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] ID for an Instrument of the Passion > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Just so. As noted in Wikipedia, s.v. "Arma Christi" > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arma_Christi>: > "Sometimes the heads of figures from the Passion are shown, including Judas, Caiaphas, or the man who mocked Christ spitting in Christ's face." > > Since not all will take Wikipedia at face value all the time, here's a little confirmation from BL, MS Royal 6 E VI, fol. 15r, that what's depicted is spittle and not smoke (see at center, second row from top: _sputum in facie christi_): > http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMINBig.ASP?size=big&IllID=45207 > > Some other instances of the image: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heures_de_Mar%C3%A9chal_de_Boucicaut_-_Arma_Christi.jpg > http://www.sagen.at/fotos/showphoto.php/photo/35512/size/big/cat/ > http://www.wallraf.museum/uploads/tx_imagecycle/Umbrisch_ChristusSchmerzensmann_WRM_0744_01.jpg > > Stephen is of course quite right about the Jew's hat. > > Best again, > John Dillon > > > On 03/08/15, Diana Hiller wrote: >> The chap in the hat is, I suggest, spitting on Christ: Matthew 26:67 >> for example. >> Diana >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:28 PM, stephen Morris >> <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask])" target="1">[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >>> culture >>> Rick: >>> >>> I think I have some of the possible answers (see below), but not >>> all. I am eagerly awaiting to see what others say; this is a >>> fascinating thread! >>> >>> The hands are those of the soldiers who slapped and buffeted Christ >>> while he was blinded, taunting him, "Tell us who buffeted you, if >>> you are a prophet." >>> >>> The man with the strange hat is wearing what's commonly called a >>> "Jew's Hat," which usually indicates a prophet or Old Testament >>> figure but here I think it indicates that he is Ciaphas, the high >>> priest who handed Jesus over to the Romans. Or Annas, his fellow >>> priestly authority but I'm not sure what the smoke signifies. >>> Perhaps his false testimony? Or his inadvertent prophecy that is was >>> better for one man to die on behalf of the people? >>> >>> Those are definitely the 3 nails above the head of the Virgin. >>> >>> One of the crossed sticks would have been the reed given to Christ >>> as an imitation sceptre during the mockery by the soldiers. The >>> other would be the reed on which a vinegar-soaked sponge was raised >>> to his lips during the Crucifixion. >>> >>> I'm not sure why those particular numbers on the dice. Maybe 4 >>> evangelists, 5 senses, and 6 i-don't-know-what. Weren't 15 candles >>> used at Tenebrae during Holy Week? >>> >>> Like I said, I'm looking to forward to what others have to say. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> On March 8, 2015, at 10:22 PM, richard legault >>> <[log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose()> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >>> culture >>> >>> I'd be curious to know what people make of the less obvious symbols >>> such >>> as: >>> >>> The three disembodied right hands to the right of the cross. Is one >>> holding a barely visible purse, containing perhaps 30 pieces of silver? >>> The smoke emanating from the bust of I'm not sure whom. Could this >>> be Pilate whose disembodied hands are being washed? If so, why the >>> smoke and the odd-looking headwear? >>> The three somethings atop the halo of the woman. Three Nails perhaps? >>> The crossed sticks between the woman and the cross. >>> The dice represent the soldiers' casting of lots for Jesus' robe, >>> but why fifteen, the sum of four, five and six? >>> ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion