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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I would read that rather as twisting in an already positioned crown of thorns. Best, John Dillon On 03/09/15, "Judith K. Golden" wrote: > > Going back to the crossed rods...there are images of Christ crowned with thorns, with two men holding crossed poles/rods, placing or pushing the crown of thorns on to the head of Christ, as in Princeton University Library ms Garrett 57, fol. 10r. > > http://ica.princeton.edu/images/princeton/ga57.010rb.jpg > > Judith K. Golden, Ph.D. > Reader > Index of Christian Art > A3 McCormick Hall > Princeton University > Princeton, NJ 08544-1018 > > [log in to unmask] > 609-258-7144 > > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]](javascript:main.compose() On Behalf Of Ms B M Cook > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 4:38 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] ID for an Instrument of the Passion > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > A slightly off topic comment - Why can't we have reproductions of this on our Easter cards ? They'd be an improvement on the ubiquitous rabbit!! > > Brenda > > Brenda M. Cook > Independent Scholar > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Dillon > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 4:41 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] ID for an Instrument of the Passion > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Just so. As noted in Wikipedia, s.v. "Arma Christi" > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arma_Christi>: > "Sometimes the heads of figures from the Passion are shown, including Judas, Caiaphas, or the man who mocked Christ spitting in Christ's face." > > Since not all will take Wikipedia at face value all the time, here's a little confirmation from BL, MS Royal 6 E VI, fol. 15r, that what's depicted is spittle and not smoke (see at center, second row from top: _sputum in facie christi_): > http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMINBig.ASP?size=big&IllID=45207 > > Some other instances of the image: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heures_de_Mar%C3%A9chal_de_Boucicaut_-_Arma_Christi.jpg > http://www.sagen.at/fotos/showphoto.php/photo/35512/size/big/cat/ > http://www.wallraf.museum/uploads/tx_imagecycle/Umbrisch_ChristusSchmerzensmann_WRM_0744_01.jpg > > Stephen is of course quite right about the Jew's hat. > > Best again, > John Dillon > > > On 03/08/15, Diana Hiller wrote: > > The chap in the hat is, I suggest, spitting on Christ: Matthew 26:67 > > for example. > > Diana > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:28 PM, stephen Morris > > <[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask])" target="1">[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > > > culture > > > Rick: > > > > > > I think I have some of the possible answers (see below), but not > > > all. I am eagerly awaiting to see what others say; this is a > > > fascinating thread! > > > > > > The hands are those of the soldiers who slapped and buffeted Christ > > > while he was blinded, taunting him, "Tell us who buffeted you, if > > > you are a prophet." > > > > > > The man with the strange hat is wearing what's commonly called a > > > "Jew's Hat," which usually indicates a prophet or Old Testament > > > figure but here I think it indicates that he is Ciaphas, the high > > > priest who handed Jesus over to the Romans. Or Annas, his fellow > > > priestly authority but I'm not sure what the smoke signifies. > > > Perhaps his false testimony? Or his inadvertent prophecy that is was > > > better for one man to die on behalf of the people? > > > > > > Those are definitely the 3 nails above the head of the Virgin. > > > > > > One of the crossed sticks would have been the reed given to Christ > > > as an imitation sceptre during the mockery by the soldiers. The > > > other would be the reed on which a vinegar-soaked sponge was raised > > > to his lips during the Crucifixion. > > > > > > I'm not sure why those particular numbers on the dice. Maybe 4 > > > evangelists, 5 senses, and 6 i-don't-know-what. Weren't 15 candles > > > used at Tenebrae during Holy Week? > > > > > > Like I said, I'm looking to forward to what others have to say. > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > On March 8, 2015, at 10:22 PM, richard legault > > > <[log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose()> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > > > culture > > > > > > I'd be curious to know what people make of the less obvious symbols > > > such > > > as: > > > > > > The three disembodied right hands to the right of the cross. Is one > > > holding a barely visible purse, containing perhaps 30 pieces of silver? > > > The smoke emanating from the bust of I'm not sure whom. Could this > > > be Pilate whose disembodied hands are being washed? If so, why the > > > smoke and the odd-looking headwear? > > > The three somethings atop the halo of the woman. Three Nails perhaps? > > > The crossed sticks between the woman and the cross. > > > The dice represent the soldiers' casting of lots for Jesus' robe, > > > but why fifteen, the sum of four, five and six? > > > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion