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sure, keith, designers change the world even in very small dimensions of it. i am not happy with relating design to what prophets do. prophets always predict what will be happening -- whether they claim special insights in the mechanism by which the world works or privileged access to higher authorities, or deviously use the authority attributed to them by disciples to make them bring about what they predict. i suspect that prophets simply know what will happen. a critical social scientist (drawing on numerous studies of why prophesies succeed or fail) would characterize prophets as propagandists (even if they are not aware of the dynamics they could set in motion). i prefer to see designers as engaging conversational means to introduce innovations. cheers klaus -----Original Message----- From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Keith Russell Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 10:41 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Environmental determinism Dear Klaus, What you say (see below) can be compared with Blakešs ideas about prophets. Their purpose is to change the world by pointing to the implications (pre-deterimined aspects?) of what is already here. That is, if we keep doing THIS then THAT will happen. Designers might be seen as attempting to change what IS here in order to bring about a different future? Cheers keith On 7/12/2014 2:26 pm, "Klaus Krippendorff" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >this is not to say that designers could not advance arguments for their >designs and convince stakeholders of the virtue of do something with >them. but this takes place on the level of discourse involving people >in dialogue or conversations. ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------