And the downright good natured and open-minded, More Jovial Cheers G Peter, isn't it the case that you never thought of John as being an avant-gardist because whenever you talk of the avant-garde you limit them to one particular section with which you have had profound disagreements? The avant-garde (or whatever you want to call 'em) is a very wide spectrum which contains many of the genial and even the jovial. Jovial Cheers Tim On 1 Dec 2014, at 14:50, Peter Riley wrote: I have never thought of you as an avant-gardist, John! And if you were one you'd be one of the genial ones.