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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Matins was part of the recommended prayer for lay-Franciscans of the 14th century. Whether they did that individually or in groups is something I have not been able to discern. Jaye On 19 November 2014 15:08, John Dillon <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Two of the better known twelfth-century liturgical dramas from monastic > sites in continental Europe are or were bilingual (Latin / vernacular): the > Monte Cassino Passion Play, which breaks off at the start of a section in > Italian, and the Greater Carmina Burana Passion Play, which has many lines > in German. I've always thought that these will have been performed for > their abbeys' household staffs and perhaps other laity as well as for the > choir monks. > > Best, > John Dillon > > On 11/19/14, John Shinners wrote: > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture There's a 14th-century ms from Essen that describes a “Quem > quaeritis” Easter interlude for a collegiate church there. After the > discovery of the empty tomb, the rubric says “let the people [presumably in > the congregation] sing a hymn in German about the Resurrection. This > suggest to me that laity must have sometimes been present, otherwise why > sing in German? The document is From Karl Young’s The Drama of the Medieval > Church v. 1 , pp. 333-35. I’m afraid I only have my translation handy, not > the Latin. > > > > > > Best, > > John > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Laura Jacobus <[log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask])" target="1">[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture My feeling, though it's no more than that, is that early > liturgical dramas need to be thought of as participatory dramas ie. there > was not necessarily an external audience in the more modern theatrical > sense, but nor was there 'no audience': the audience were the > performers and vice versa, making it an immersive devotional experience. > I'd bet there's a theoretical literature on this somewhere, and > someone on the list will know where. I'm pretty sure I've come > across work on later dramas by lay devotional confraternities which treats > them in this way, and though I know it's not the same thing there are > perhaps parallels. > > > > > > Laura > > > > > > > > > Dr. Laura JacobusSenior Lecturer in History of Art > > > Birkbeck College, University of London > > > > > > > > > > > > For details of my book on Giotto and the Arena Chapel see > http://www.brepols.net/Pages/ShowProduct.aspx?prod_id=IS-9781905375127-1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 November 2014 15:18, John Briggs <[log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose()> > wrote: > > > > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > > > > > > > I think as a general rule there would not have been an audience. > There > > > > is a complication that matins at Christmas would be a special event - > > > > presumably matins would take place very early (midnight-ish - > normally > > > > matins at a secular > > > > cathedral slipped very late!), but there could well have been > > > > attendance by other > > > > members of the 'cathedral community', which could be > surprisingly > > > > large. Are you sure that this "theatrical performance" is really > > > > liturgical drama? And how late is it? > > > > -- > > > > John Briggs > > > > > > > > On 19/11/2014, Jason Burg <[log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose()> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to find information on the office of matins in English > > > > > cathedrals from about the 13th century until the reformation. I am > looking > > > > > at a theatrical performance done in Lincoln cathedral at matins at > > > > > Christmas and I am trying to determine if there would have been an > audience > > > > > for the event besides the men singing the service. This affects my > > > > > argument, but I have been unable to find any information or > precedents for > > > > > the public attending a matins service. > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR > NAME > > > > to: [log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose() > > > > To send a message to the list, address it to: > > > > [log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose() > > > > To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion > > > > to: [log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose() > > > > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, > write to: > > > > [log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose() > > > > For further information, visit our web site: > > > > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose() To send a message > to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose() > To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: > [log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose() In order to report > problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask](javascript:main.compose() For > further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > John Shinners > > Professor, Schlesinger Chair in Humanistic Studies > > Saint Mary's College > > Notre Dame, Indiana 46556 > > Phone: 574-284-4494 or 574-284-4534 > > Fax: 284-4855 > > www.saintmarys.edu/~hust(http://www.saintmarys.edu/~hust) > > > > "Learn everything. 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