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Obviously, I meant ‘deleted’ in the sense of marked as deleted. I seem to recall though, that the NMR went through a phase of re-using ‘deleted’ numbers for a while before realising the mistake. Probably before your time. Chris Webster Somerset Historic Environment Record Somerset Heritage Centre Brunel Way Taunton TA2 6SF 01823 347434 Online HER at www.somerset.gov.uk/her From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Newman, Martin Sent: 17 November 2014 15:04 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: E Conference Day 1 Session 3 How much work would it be? Chris One brief comment, we wouldn't remove an entry. If it was shown not to be a site we'd explain that it had been mistaken in the past. We have a number of non antiquities recorded that were thought to be barrows at one time. Similarly if a site was destroyed we'd still have a record for it. It's important to know what existed and to prevent previously mistaken sites being rerecorded. Martin Sent from my iPhone On 17 Nov 2014, at 13:10, "Chris Webster" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: As part of the project, we carried out a sample exercise looking at three 10km squares in Devon, Durham and Somerset. Kieron Byrne of EH provided data from the NRHE and Graham Tait, Nick Boldrini and I compared these to HER data. The headline figures (for monuments) are in the table below: Devon Durham Somerset HER entries 1275 353 595 NRHE entries 144 (all mapped) 180 (171 mapped) 328 (317 mapped) Cross referenced 97 (7.6% of HER) 78 (22% of HER) 203 (34% of HER) Can be linked 35 >16 295 New to HER 12 (1%) <77 (22%) 42 (7%) As you will see, there is a great deal of overlap, with only a few new-to-the-HER sites in the NRHE. This is possibly the worst case as there is a lot of work to identify which sites they are, and then not a great number of new sites. That said, each matched site has to be assessed to check if it has information additional to that in the HER (see below). In terms of time, it took me about half a day to assess the 10km Somerset square. There is quite a bit of difference between the HERs as well, as the first line reveals. Kieron tells me that the NRHE averages 330 sites per 10km square over England so that might help to assess your area. All our sample areas were below the NRHE average so there are a lot of other sites somewhere (Wiltshire?) We also looked at Events. Again there appeared to be more in the HERs but Martin Newman pointed out that there are also building recording events in NHRE (which we didn’t include). Finally, I took a random sample of 10% of the NHRE sites in the Somerset square and assessed them for additional information that would need to be added to the HER. 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