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Hi there I’m coming very late to this forum but have just been reading through the backlog of posts with interest, and the thread about FAST headings caught my eye. At my previous post, at an arts university with a relatively small collection, I was very interested in the possibilities that FAST headings might give our users. Full LCSH headings are often too complex and because of this, we found that they were not that useful as facets for our user group – especially when our discovery system couldn’t deal with them in a hierarchical manner. So I’d been thinking that a shorter, faceted system could be much more accessible. However, I hadn’t got to the point of finding out how easy it would be to get records with FAST headings supplied, so I’m not sure that it would be a viable option at the present. Nicky ------------------------------------------------------------ Nicky Ransom Assistant Librarian, Discovery and Metadata Collections Services Group LSE Library 10 Portugal Street, London WC2A 2AE 020 7106 1314 | [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> | www.lse.ac.uk/library<http://www.lse.ac.uk/library> From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bernadette O'Reilly Sent: 26 November 2014 11:21 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Session 3: Training II - special areas - LCSH From http://oclc.org/research/activities/fast.html: FAST (Faceted Application of Subject Terminology) is derived from the Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH), one of the library domain’s most widely-used subject terminology schemas. The development of FAST has been a collaboration of OCLC Research and the Library of Congress. Work on FAST began in late 1998. FAST has been developed in large part to attempt to meet the perceived need for a general-use subject terminology scheme which is: * simple to learn and apply, * faceted-navigation-friendly, and * modern in its design. The broad purpose of adapting the LCSH with a simplified syntax to create FAST is to retain the very rich vocabulary of LCSH while making the schema easier to understand, control, apply, and use. The schema maintains upward compatibility with LCSH, and any valid set of LC subject headings can be converted to FAST headings. After full development, FAST has evolved into an eight-facet vocabulary with a universe of approximately 1.7 million headings across all facets. The facets are designed to be used in tandem, but each may also be used independently. The rules of application are very simple. Background With a rapid growth of accessible information, there was a need for a simplified indexing schema which could be assigned and used by non-professional cataloger or indexers. ******************* Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. For cataloguing advice: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For course enquiries (cataloguing, holdings & items): [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For other correspondence: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 01865 2-77134 ******************* From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Doyle, Helen Sent: 26 November 2014 11:06 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Session 3: Training II - special areas - LCSH Hi Helen, What are FAST headings? That’s a new one on me! Helen. From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Williams Sent: 26 November 2014 10:58 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Session 3: Training II - special areas - LCSH Hi Bernadette We include LCSH in all our records. I’ve seen a fair bit of discussion on FAST headings in various places. Is anyone making use of those? Helen From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bernadette O'Reilly Sent: 26 November 2014 10:42 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Session 3: Training II - special areas Hello Helen We also find that few of our users do sophisticated searches, but a simple, general search in our resource disccovery tool will bring up results from subject headings as well as from titles, etc. Particularly useful if the titles are in foreign languages. It also offers hyperlinks on access points, so users who have found a resource that suits them can click to find other material on the same subject. Resource discovery tools also make extensive use of LCSH and similar for facets – the hierarchical structure is ideal for facets, and perhaps gives users the impression that the subject terms are better organised and assigned more systematically than they really are. A few years ago I was expecting LCSH to fade out of use – it can be so difficult to get everything just right that the results of subject searches are generally less reliable than one would wish, at the expense of a great deal of cataloguing time – but resource discovery tools seem to have given LCSH a new lease of life. How valuable do other people think that LCSH are nowadays? Is there a better way? Best wishes, Bernadette ******************* Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. For cataloguing advice: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For course enquiries (cataloguing, holdings & items): [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For other correspondence: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 01865 2-77134 ******************* From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Doyle, Helen Sent: 26 November 2014 10:24 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Session 3: Training II - special areas In my organisation we pay only cursory attention to what AACR2 says, and I don’t think we follow any rules for adding subjects to records. It’s usually just very board, and then we use a specialist classification scheme for shelving (Moys). People rarely search the catalogue by subject (though maybe that’s because the subject headings are not great!) – they tend to turn up i8n the library in person and want to be pointed at the relevant section of shelving! Helen. From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bernadette O'Reilly Sent: 26 November 2014 09:56 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [CIG-E-FORUM] Session 3: Training II - special areas Hello again Welcome to the third session of the ‘Getting started in cataloguing’ e-forum. As well as continuing threads from yesterday’s sessions, we invite your questions and ideas in this session about training and recruitment for special skills in cataloguing, such as subject cataloguing, classification, non-book materials and rare books. I give a lot of training myself for LCSH and non-book materials (RDA/MARC). I have to admit that I have no expertise in other subject thesauri, classification, Dewey or rare books, but I know a little about how my colleagues handle training in these areas. Esther and Helen will be joining in when they can, and we hope that the experts among you will be able to offer specialised advice. We have come up with some starter questions, but please feel free to introduce other topics: - Can you recommend any training material for LCSH and/or other subject thesauri or methods? - Can you recommend any training material for LC Classification or other classification systems? - Is it practical and/or worthwhile for aspiring cataloguers to gain skills in cataloguing, classification or specialist areas before they apply for posts? - Does your organisation expect everyone to deal with subject cataloguing and non-book cataloguing straight away, or do you give simpler work to newer cataloguers and introduce these skills gradually? - If subject cataloguing is not a specialist role in your organisation, how do cataloguers cope with the challenges of maintaining a good repertoire from LCSH and/or other fast-growing thesauri? - If your organisation uses LCSH, are cataloguers expected to be very strict in applying all the scope notes and SHM instruction sheets? If not, what are your priorities? - What, if anything, is your organisation doing to implement the new LCGFT thesaurus? Is there any training material which you would recommend? - Do you expect the LCSH system to be as dominant in 5 years’ time as it is now? - What other subject cataloguing systems should aspiring cataloguers be aware of? What are their advantages? - Is non-book cataloguing a specialist role in your organisation? - How much use is your organisation making of the new 34X fields and what kind of training has been provided? Are your cataloguers comfortable about using them? Can you recommend any materials? - Has your organisation implemented RDA for rare books? If so, did it involve much re-training? Can you recommend any materials? - Given the frequent changes and growth in cataloguing standards in recent years, is the burden of knowledge and skills expected of cataloguing staff becoming unmanageable? Any survival tips? We look forward to hearing from you. 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