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It may be part of this conversation - because I often work across genres - visual poetics / textual artist. Anyway, when I did my Masters, the Art/Design department wouldn't hear of me doing work under their wing …. Furthermore when I had a small exhibition and said I was a textual artist, was in the programme as working in 'Textiles' …. Classifications may 'place' work but I'm happy to be displaced … Tilla Tilla Brading [log in to unmask] On 10 Nov 2014, at 02:39, jim andrews <[log in to unmask]> wrote: in visual art, there is no necessity to know how to draw. this does not mean that the ability to draw is outlawed. similarly, in poetry, there is no longer any necessity to produce poemy poems whether they are written, spoken, or whatever. natural language is intermedial with other arts and media in much contemporary art. it doesn’t mean that poemy poems are outlawed. again, it’s a matter of poetry having expanded much like the term ‘visual art’ has expanded to comprehend much more than previously. and just as, in visual art, we now say ‘of course you don’t need to know how to draw to be a visual artist’, so too will we say ‘of course you don’t need to know how to write poemy poems to be a poet’. ja http://vispo.com