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Ha! VG MrG db On 18 November 2014 18:00, Paul Green <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thank you, David, for enriching the intertextual polysemy of my text. > Definitely worth a footnote in my posthumous Collected Poems. And I have > seen Bullingdons in the field, as it were, back in the mediaeval sixties. > The horror… > > On 18 Nov 2014, at 16:18, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > A mate of mine once lost all his wages on Red Mist to win the 3.30 at > Doncaster. Turned out the nag was on a lay-by half way between Oxford and > Cambridge, wherever that was, all the lads were blind drunk on Bullingdon > Cider, Special Dry Reserve, whatever that is :) > > On 18 November 2014 15:56, Paul Green <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> *RED MIST* >> >> red mist in his helmet >> don’t push me I’m close to the iron age >> corralled by headbutting camcorders >> you need to format a result >> >> they’re twerking for Vlad in Siberia >> we have to learn working with them like a hard family >> but your prefects have burning fiddles >> dancing Frankenstein fell all over the Towers >> >> all this ongoing in a biosphere drying out >> attack via the click-bait of martyrs >> and a turret pisses fire >> the mutawa doing good business >> >> On 18 Nov 2014, at 15:47, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> My fear is that UKIP's influence will enable another minority Tory >> government, possibly in cahoots with Farage. The LibDems are finished, >> possibly for keeps. I do recall with a touch of anger certain parties on >> this list suggesting that the 2010 coalition was a possible good thing. >> Perhaps now we have enjoyed the good thing for almost 5 years they might be >> readying to salute another joyous event next May. >> Amazing, isn't it, I've just remembered I actually am working-class and >> I've forgotten to be swept away on a tide of mindless populism. Funny how >> us lower-orders can think for ourselves, innit? >> >> >> On 18 November 2014 10:12, Sean Carey <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> The lyric tradition is alive and well indeed Carrie and the same would >>> apply on both sides of the Atlantic. If one looks only from the vantage >>> point of the Cambridge School onwards one could cite many poets who would >>> fit within that mode of poetics. >>> >>> The blend in an experimental form does mix with the harder edged poetics >>> we see in 2014. There are many examples of lyric modes cutting across other >>> styles of writing one could cite as examples. There is room for all Carrie >>> at the poetic inn we dwell in on these islands. >>> >>> >>> Often I feel within our ranks there are both pro and anti American views >>> expressed on this list. In the Duchamp/Elisa discussion it surfaced in >>> relation to art. It is a subject that interests me in a political context >>> with "the special relationship" seldom discussed in a serious way. In the >>> UKIP era we are now in the E.U. is seen as the bogey and the hostility to >>> East Europeans or anyone else from anywhere. >>> >>> The notion that people enter Ireland or Britain for "the amazing >>> benefits" on offer will amuse anyone who struggles on benefits. In real >>> terms other E.U.states have far superior benefit systems than Ireland or >>> the U.K. >>> >>> >>> In the UKIP case the left must realise this mood of discontent is not >>> going to vanish overnight. The demise of the BNP means defections to UKIP >>> and the first Labour defection is now nigh. To see UKIP as a British Tea >>> Party is an error as the Tea Party failed to dictate the agenda of the >>> Republican Party or the Democrats. Now every political party must sing the >>> UKIP tune. >>> >>> The real worry is social unrest and the London riots soon went national >>> with deaths in the Midlands and in London itself. Nigel Farage is a huge >>> threat to democracy with his populism as are the Irish populists who pose a >>> huge risk. They are all in the same boat offering easy answers to complex >>> problems. What they forget is human lives are at stake and the cost could >>> be very high in blood. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [log in to unmask] >>> To: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS >>> Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:46 >>> Subject: The avant garde v. the lyrical >>> >>> In a postgraduate student's work, I've recently seen "avant-garde >>> aesthetics" posited in opposition to poems that are "intensely lyrical" in >>> contemporary American poetry and would be glad to hear others' thoughts. My >>> own first response was the recollection of numerous "intensely lyrical" >>> poets among Britain's "avant garde," if it can be so called. What say you? >>> >>> Yours, >>> Carrie >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Joseph Bircumshaw >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw >> Tumblr: http://zantikus.tumblr.com/ >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com >> >> >> > > > -- > David Joseph Bircumshaw > Website and A Chide's Alphabet > http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > Tumblr: http://zantikus.tumblr.com/ > twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com > > > -- David Joseph Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw Tumblr: http://zantikus.tumblr.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com