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I've been trying to think of poets whose general oeuvre could possibly be called 'experimental lyric' - how about Sheila Murphy or Peter Dent, not saying this with huge confidence mind you - modern poetry is so slippery. On 19 Nov 2014, at 11:44, Tim Allen wrote: > Hi Carrie and Ian - I would describe some of what I do as a kind of 'experimental lyric', but note the 'some' and note the 'kind of'. I would call it lyrical because of the way it manipulates the mood of words to have an emotional effect but this does not really mean the same thing as lyrical in the usual sense because most of the time - again note the 'most of the time' - it does not necessarily arise from an initial personally felt emotion. I also tend to think of some of it as experimental lyric because of what I call its small, or focused region of working, its singing, if you like, often within something larger that is definitely not lyrical. I think there are many poets around from the broadly experimental who could say something similar about their work, on both sides of the Atlantic. > > Cheers > > Tim > > On 19 Nov 2014, at 10:51, ian seed wrote: > >> There is of course the 'experimental lyric'.... >> >> >> From: Carrie Etter <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 5:45 PM >> Subject: The avant garde v. the lyrical >> >> In a postgraduate student's work, I've recently seen "avant-garde aesthetics" posited in opposition to poems that are "intensely lyrical" in contemporary American poetry and would be glad to hear others' thoughts. My own first response was the recollection of numerous "intensely lyrical" poets among Britain's "avant garde," if it can be so called. What say you? >> >> Yours, >> Carrie >> >> >