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To clarify, I wasn't trying to say that flapping is universal for every Australian in every word on every occasion. I was just saying that from a North American point of view, I don't think you can say that non-flapping is an "Aussie characteristic" that your child might acquire. Judging from what's been said, Australian probably does have less flapping than US varieties in formal contexts (non-flapping sounds more artificial than "posh" to me as an American, although the concept "posh" isn't native either - is this what "not unregistered into a stable style" means?), but Australian probably has as much or more flapping in casual speech. By the way, I do think non-flapping in e.g. "society" might have an African-American connection. Akmajian has a whole discussion of the metrical basis (in his analysis) of the difference between "veto" and "Vito" and other words. I could flap in either word, myself, but am almost certain to do so in "Vito" whereas "veto" would be quite variable. Interesting that for me, flapping seems almost mandatory in a word like "pittance" - and I'm from the same area as Aaron. Dan On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Bryan James Gordon < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > I know at least two Australians who have non-flapping. I'm aware (as I > assume most of us on this list are) that Australian English flaps > intervocalic /t/ in general, but this does not mean there is no > non-flapping. There certainly is. My understanding is that it sounds "posh" > in Australia just like it does in the US, but has been enregistered into a > number of stable Australian-identified styles, in at least some > phonological contexts, which is not the case for most varieties of US > English. (Canadian, on the other hand, may well be different.) > > Bryan James Gordon > University of Airzona > > 2014-10-09 11:38 GMT-07:00 Daniel Ezra Johnson < > [log in to unmask]>: > >> No, Australia does not have non-flapping! >> >> I will now take the opportunity to plug the upcoming NWAV talk of me and >> Jen Nycz: >> Partial mergers and near-distinctions: stylistic layering in dialect >> acquisition >> <http://www.nwav43.illinois.edu/program/documents/Johnson-Nycz-NWAVabstract-revised-long.pdf> >> It's not exactly about what Greg mentions above, but rather close, in the >> scheme of things. >> Considering this type of merger (which I think I have myself too, as long >> as we're being anecdotal) a late phonological rule is appealing, but is >> perhaps challenged by the existence of the opposite pattern, where a >> speaker is distinct in conversation but merged when you ask them about it. >> Don't want to spoil our talk, though, so I'll stop there! >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Aaron Dinkin <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2014, Gregory R Guy wrote: >>> >>> During childhood and adolescence he put on Aussie characteristics (e.g >>>> vowels, non-flapping of intervocalic /t/) >>>> >>> >>> Wait, Australia has non-flapping of intervocalic /t/? >>> >>> -Aaron J. Dinkin >>> Dr. Whom >>> >>> >>> ######################################################################## >>> >>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist >>> sociolinguistics. >>> >>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1 >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist >> sociolinguistics. >> >> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: >> [log in to unmask] >> >> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1 >> > > > > -- > *********************************************************** > Bryan James Gordon, MA > Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology > University of Arizona > *********************************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist > sociolinguistics. > > To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: > [log in to unmask] > > To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1 > ######################################################################## The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist sociolinguistics. To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1