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And actually, I tell a lie - according to that Scoreboard data, GSK and AZ spent £3.6bn and £2.7bn respectively back in 2009/10. So that'd make the MoD the 3rd biggest. On 7 October 2014 17:13, Imran Khan < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Sorry, I should say Department for Health rather than NHS for that £0.9bn > figure. > > On 7 October 2014 17:12, Imran Khan < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> What an interesting question, Dom. My short answer is yes, it is true. >> >> Am partly going off memory from my CaSE days here, but if you look at the >> Government SET statistics >> ( >> https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/science-engineering-and-technology-statistics-2013 >> for latest ones) >> >> .. and then click on (for instance) table 2.2, you get a breakdown of >> real-terms govt R&D spending up until 2011-12. >> >> You'll find that the MoD spends £1.3bn on R&D - which is way ahead of the >> next two next biggest spenders, the NHS (£0.9bn) and EPSRC (£0.8bn). The >> Wellcome Trust weighs in at around £0.6bn a year, in case you were >> interested. >> >> But the MoD breaks their R&D spend down into.. well, R and D. I can't >> remember what the specific definitions were but they're roughly what you'd >> expect, and it depends on whether you'd count a lot of what the MoD refers >> to as 'development' as sci/eng spend. I would, but some wouldn't. >> >> Sadly the government no longer collates the industrial R&D scoreboard, >> but the last time it was published (2010) no companies came close to that >> level of R&D spend ( >> http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20101208170217/http://www.innovation.gov.uk/rd_scoreboard/downloads/2010_RD_Scoreboard_data.pdf >> ) >> >> Also, I'm not sure how much double-counting might go on. Imagine an MoD >> research or dev contract awarded to Rolls Royce and conducted in >> conjunction with, say, Aston university - how does that get counted? No >> idea. >> >> But while we're on interesting stats, here's my favourite one, courtesy >> of (who else), Scienceogram - a single nation spent three times more on the >> Iraq war than the entire world put together spent on health research in the >> three decades preceding the same war. >> http://scienceogram.org/in-depth/big-science/ >> >> On 7 October 2014 16:48, Dominic McDonald <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a question that I am struggling to find an answer for… >>> >>> >>> >>> I was once told that the MOD was the single largest funder of >>> science/engineering research in the UK. As factoids go, it’s a beauty, but >>> I am struggling to find out the extent to which it is actually true… >>> >>> >>> >>> Now I don’t want to gum up everyone’s inboxes with a debate on whether >>> this is a good thing or a bad thing – each of us will have her/his own >>> opinion - but I would like to at least know whether it IS a thing. 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