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Thanks Ian...The comment from Tim Worstell is encouraging. I'm eagerly awaiting for my local library to offer the service : ) Your comment about quiet study spaces is also important. In HE libraries are typically increasing the space they make available as dedicated 'learning spaces'. This also allows me to extend the discussion to the role of public libraries in learning. It was encouraging to hear Alison Wheeler (SCL) speaking at the recent Westminster Forum on Community Learning (http://www.westminsterforumprojects.co.uk/forums/agenda/community-learning- 2014-agenda.pdf) . Several of the other speakers mentioned Community Learning partnerships that included public libraries but overall the public library contribution seemed rather muted. Nicholas Fox, (Director, Individual Learning Company) spoke about the availability of significant funding to support Community Learning initiatives -though not necessarily from government or LAs. It certainly reinforced my view there is significant opportunity for public libraries to extend their role in this area. Some of these issues will be aired further at a CILIP event in London on 13th November - "Re-imagining learning: a new opportunity for libraries" http://www.cilip.org.uk/cilip/events/re-imagining-learning-new-opportunity-l ibraries. Ciara Eastell from SCL will be speaking, as will Nicky Whitsed from the Open University which is leading the 'Futurelearn' MOOC ( more on MOOCs and libraries on LGLibTech http://lglibtech.wikispaces.com/MOOCs+and+Libraries Oh yes -has anyone asked Access to Research if they would include British Standards in their offer? It does seem to me as if that might meet very well Chris's need for "alternative models for providing British Standards are currently adopted in public libraries that do not have access to the online service from BSOL" Ken Ken Chad Consulting Ltd Tel: +44(0)7788727845 <http://www.kenchadconsuting.com/> http://www.kenchadconsuting.com Twitter: @kenchad Skype: kenchadconsulting From: Ian Anstice [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 21 October 2014 19:58 To: Ken Chad Consulting; [log in to unmask] Subject: RE: British Standards Hi Ken and everyone else out there in Lis-pub-libs land, Keeping with the "Access to Research" a moment longer, this resource was given support from a highly unexpected quarter this weekend. Journalist and senior fellow at the Adam Smith Institute, Tim Worstall, who was arguing at the Battle of Ideas debate that public libraries are now outdated and should be closed, told me afterwards that he in fact used public libraries a lot ... because he could use Access to Research there. Apparently, the research he needs would cost him a fortune normally but he can get it for free at his library. Shame didn't mention it his reliance on libraries during the debate, really, but I guess it may have slightly harmed his debating position. Incidentally, the debate itself - which I was on the panel for - was an instructive one as even the many arguing for public libraries there, had this image of libraries as places which should be silent halls of high culture. My report on it is at http://www.publiclibrariesnews.com/library-closing/conferences/old-fashioned -libraries-are-what-we-need-thoughts-on-the-battle-of-ideas-public-libraries -debate-19th-october-2014. While there was an element of "with friends like these ..." about the audience, I thought the session showed that we need to be imaginative in respecting the importance of quiet study spaces in libraries perhaps a little more than many of us do, with the problem being especially acute in the smaller libraries most under threat. Regards Ian Anstice Subscribe to <http://www.publiclibrariesnews.com/> Public Libraries News _____ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 23:37:02 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: British Standards To: [log in to unmask] Maybe this could be a suggestion for inclusion in the 'Access to Research' initiative? In their website text "for publishers" it is stated that: "It is quick and easy to opt your titles in" http://www.accesstoresearch.org.uk/publishers Ken Ken Chad Consulting Ltd Tel: +44(0)7788727845 http://www.kenchadconsuting.com <http://www.kenchadconsuting.com/> Twitter: @kenchad Skype: kenchadconsulting From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wylie, Alan Sent: 20 October 2014 17:13 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: British Standards Hi Chris We don't provide them at all in Islington Libraries and according to http://onlinelpl.wordpress.com/ there are now no public libraries in London providing online access to them and as for hardcopy I'm pretty sure the same applies. We refer people to the BL. Alan Wylie Librarian Islington Central Reference Library 2 Fieldway Crescent London Borough of Islington N5 1PF 0207 527 6931 [log in to unmask] From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Booty, Information & Learning Services Manager Sent: 20 October 2014 15:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: British Standards I am interested in finding out what alternative models for providing British Standards are currently adopted in public libraries that do not have access to the online service from BSOL. Does anyone still provide loanable paper copies and, if so, do you make a "realistic" charge reflecting the cost of acquiring them? Or do you simply not provide them at all? Chris Booty Information & Learning Services Development Manager, Essex County Council Libraries