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Don't ask me Amy, that is what I asked Wouter for! I very strongly agree with you regarding the harmful effects of unsubstantiated theories being bandied about in this way. cheers Douglas On 06/10/2014 12:08, healingjia Price wrote: > Dear Juan and Douglas, > > Can you share in what amount these problems occur in the population > per side effect as other wise it generates fear and anti vax > sentiments in the general population who respond to such theory or > general information by refusing all vaccination and putting the > population at risk? I agree the public should have all the information > to make informed decision but when this information is given in > abstract ways the risk is artificially magnified especially when > picked up by external media sources. In 1000 persons vaccinated how > many will suffer these side effects and is does the risk outweigh the > benefit? > > Thanks, > Amy > > Amy Price > Empower 2 Go > Building Brain Potential > Http://empower2go.org > Sent from my iPad > > On 6 Oct 2014, at 06:01 am, "Juan Gérvas" <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> -when commenting around bias in vaccine short term safety do not >> forget the case of influenza vaccine and other vaccines that have >> unexpected changes in inmunology and significant side effects in >> persons who have already had the disease >> -the best example is the vaccine against Q fever >> There is an effective vaccine against Q fever, however it has >> significant side effects in persons who have already had Q fever. >> http://www.qfever.com.au/vaccine.html >> -around the long term safety we need to remember that medical >> interventions just change (in their best) the cause of death >> -we, physicians, do not "save lives", we just "change causes of death" >> -so vaccines have for itself, because they avoid some acute causes of >> death, the "long term side effect of increasing chronic diseases and >> other causes of death" >> -by the way, vaccines as againts measles and rubella have an >> unexpected long term side effects, as vaccinated pregnant women have >> lower level of antibodies >> Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and rubella have lower >> concentrations of maternal antibodies. >> http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/208/1/10.abstract?sid=76a1b8f7-9098-4441-bcd4-d00344a62c1d … >> -un saludo >> -juan gérvas >> >> 2014-10-06 10:18 GMT+02:00 Douglas Badenoch >> <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>: >> >> Wouter, what evidence do you have that vaccines cause >> non-communicable diseases? >> >> >> On 05/10/2014 11:51, Wouter Havinga wrote: >> >> Thank you Mohammed and Tom. >> >> Over the years I have realised that my concern is taken up as >> an academic issue. >> >> However, as a GP am expected to vaccinate every child and >> might be responsible for a worse outcome (NCD) than intended! >> >> Mohammed, you actually put the finger on the missing >> research: "the way research is designed, questions, asked, >> outcome pre-defined do not always capture evidence (or lack >> thereof) over a life time." >> >> Indeed "No Trials" is the issue. It is obvious that research >> on harm from vaccines is systematically not done. It is >> obvious that research comparing NCD in populations that are >> not vaccinated with vaccinated groups is also systematically >> not done. It is obvious that the nutrition and hygiene etc >> are not trumpeted as the reason for the reduction in >> mortality and morbidity from acute infectious diseases. >> >> NCD increase is becoming a world wide health issue. The WHO, >> UNICEF, Public health departments are currently riding the >> wave of the vaccine industry who are now focusing on the >> developing countries. >> >> I can understand that politicians can be taken in, but take >> issue with The Cochrane Collaboration if they stick to "All >> Trails" and ignore No Trials! As such, Cochrane is spoon fed >> by the industry just like the politicians. >> >> The question whether vaccines might ultimately be the >> "environmental factor" that is causing the shift from acute >> infectious diseases to endemic chronic Non-Communicable >> diseases is not an academic issue but a humanitarian issue. >> >> If not Cochrane, who can stand up for the children of the >> world and start addressing this question? >> >> http://twitter.com/wouterhavinga >> >> >> -- >> Douglas Badenoch >> Director, Minervation Ltd >> ------------------------- >> T: +44 131 441 4699 <tel:%2B44%20131%20441%204699> >> M: +44 781 742 3262 <tel:%2B44%20781%20742%203262> >> www.minervation.com <http://www.minervation.com> >> @DBadenoch >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! >> Antivirus protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> -- Douglas Badenoch Director, Minervation Ltd ------------------------- T: +44 131 441 4699 M: +44 781 742 3262 www.minervation.com @DBadenoch --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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