I think it was mining-related in west Shropshire, but difficult to prove a SPL.
Anita
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Sent: 17 October 2014 14:14
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Subject: Re: Threshold values for metals in soils
Sure I remember reading somewhere about horses being poisoned and killed due to exposure to Pb originating in soils. Seem to recall caused by natural contamination but not
sure?
Potential example?
Ruth
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Sent: 17 October 2014 13:56
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Subject: Re: Threshold values for metals in soils
Hi Lee
It cant the dismissed out of hand but if you have high lead i.e. derbyshire and a distinct lack of high blood lead levels how could you then say that the high natural levels are causing a significant
risk
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Subject: Re: Threshold values for metals in soils
Hi Gareth
I think there is an important caveat in 3.22 “…..unless there is a particular reason to consider otherwise.”
What constitutes “a particular reason” is open to debate but my view is this does not allow the risks posed by high levels of background concentrations to be arbitrarily dismissed.
lee
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Subject: Re: Threshold values for metals in soils
James
Though the strict interpretation of s78a EPA 1990 would seem to apply you seem to have forgotten the Statutory guidance on applying the definition see section 3.21 through 3.26 pg 12 and 13
I quote
“Normal” presence of contaminants
3.21 The Part 2A regime was introduced to help identify and deal with land which poses unacceptable levels of risk. It is not intended to apply
to land with levels of contaminants in soil that are commonplace and widespread throughout England or parts of it, and for which in the very large majority of cases there is no reason to consider that there is an unacceptable risk.”
3.22 Normal levels of contaminants in soil should not be considered to cause land to qualify as contaminated land, unless there is a particular
reason to consider otherwise. Therefore, if it is established that land is at or close to normal levels of particular contaminants, it should usually not be considered further in relation to the Part 2A regime and the local authority should have regard to
paragraphs 5.2 to 5.4 of this Guidance.
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Sent: 17 October 2014 11:47
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Subject: Re: Threshold values for metals in soils
Dear Group
Just to muddy the waters further under Part 2A the definition of "Contaminated Land" refers to the presence of harmful substances with NO reference or inference that hey may be anthropogenic.
EPA: Section 78A(2): “contaminated land” is any land which appears to the local authority
in whose area it is situated to be in such a condition, by reason of substances in, on
or under the land that – (a) significant harm is being caused or there is a significant
possibility of such harm being caused; or (b) significant pollution of controlled waters is
being caused, or there is a significant possibility of such pollution being caused;
Hence naturally occurring lead in the Peak District and arsenic in Cornwall still pose harm to humans, controlled waters, buried infrastructure, plants, animals, ecosystems, habitats, etc., etc.
So "greenfield" land, with natural "background" concentrations of harmful substances could be determined under Part 2A as statutory contaminated land. This would cause its own enormous problems whereby whole counties would be condemned
and blighted - hence risk assessment and associated mitigation.
Generating generic criteria for such eventualities is by no means easy and I do not envy those who have the almost impossible task of providing such numbers - that means you Prof. Paul Nathanail!! ;o)
It is Friday - perhaps time for a Crunchie?!
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On 16 October 2014 15:09, Steve Thornton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Folks,
A colleague of mine is looking at overland flow on grassland after biosolid application and wishes to obtain information on threshold values for metals in soils before they are classified as contaminated. The threshold criteria he is interested in is linked
to human health risk. Can anyone offer advice on sources of information for this. Thanks.
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regards
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Groundwater Protection and Restoration Group
Kroto Research Institute
North Campus
University of Sheffield
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Sheffield S3 7HQ
UK
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