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Hi Dave. I still have nightmares about being at a party where everyone ignores you completely - it happened to me once when I was about 7 - I think all the other kids were middle class and knew instinctively that I wasn't. Or maybe they were all mainstreamers and realised that I was other. I never forgave my mum for dragging me there. Your "I find an additional delight in being excluded from being 'working-class' by the cultural management because I don't write about 'community' reminds me of a shed-load of familiar issues connected with the up-side-down politics of art in the community. We have referred to them here on the list in the past but it was something which didn't appear to be an issue for others - except Richard Mallin maybe, and Tilla. Hi Tilla! Cheers Tim On 3 Oct 2014, at 10:12, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Butting in here Tim, but this is a public place, like a conversation at a bus-stop, because I'd suggest they are the kind of parties to which one should not accept invitations (hope the school-marm grammar goes down with y'all - pretending suddenly to be US Am there). I find an additional delight in being excluded from being 'working-class' by the cultural management because I don't write about 'community' and etc. > > > On 3 October 2014 10:01, Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Aidan, > > If anyone wants to use it I'm afraid I'm going to charge a little fee. I have a friend who is a very good poet (no names) and his poetry is recognised as such by many but not by the mainstream and not by the 'avants'. Over the years this has led him to have quite a few gripes against both parties. > > Cheers > > Tim > > On 2 Oct 2014, at 17:25, Aidan Semmens wrote: > >> 'Ignored by the avants' - now there's a blurb line if ever I read one... >> >> ;-) >> >> Aidan > > > > > -- > David Joseph Bircumshaw > Website and A Chide's Alphabet > http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > Tumblr: http://zantikus.tumblr.com/ > twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com