>She discusses why anapests exist in poetry at all. This seems to be a heated debate in linguistic circles: from what I gather from the talk, there is nothing in the linguistic structure of the English language to merit their existence in poetry<

That's very interesting, Jaime, but also, on the face of it, puzzling. One of the basics I learnt was that Modern English has a kind of iambic-anapaestic drift, and even a casual scan shows up the language is full of preposition plus article constructions like 'by a',  'of the' , or connective paddings like 'and so forth' which, unless a meter plonks a promotion on a syllable, naturally fall into a kind of sleepy, huddling, certainly not rollicking, excuse me for yawning of an anapaestic doze. I hasten to add that might not be my way of speech, but I use an urban dialect that still hits accents over the head with a Saxon shovel, if not in a falling rhythm, alas, more of a failing one, which last is where most of our language donkeys about.

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db

On 17 October 2014 18:03, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Michael,

Dr. Hanson's talk is on YouTube. It's at a 2013 linguistics conference at MIT, so there are many somewhat arcane linguistics theories mentioned. The title of the talk is "Hebrew Melodies and English Anapests". She discusses why anapests exist in poetry at all. This seems to be a heated debate in linguistic circles: from what I gather from the talk, there is nothing in the linguistic structure of the English language to merit their existence in poetry. She links poetic metrics to dance metrics in her argument.

Hanson is on staff at UC Berkeley as a linguist specialising in poetic meter.

Cheers,
J


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On 17 Oct 2014, at 02:57, [log in to unmask] wrote:

> Thanks Jaime, these are great aren't they?
>
> From what I understand Nathan's music already existed (there had been discussion with Scott about writing the lyrics before Byron took it up).
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> Not sure of how that worked in terms of setting the lyric. I imagine Nathan would have said to Byron, don't bother yourself about choice of meter, just write me a Hebrew-themed poem that matches the music in mood, and leave fitting the words to me. As I'm sure Kristin would have said there is little reason for musical and verse meters to match each other. Even though the song "If That High World" is duple on duple, the bars and feet do not coincide at all,  the words are skewed across the bar-lines by varying note lengths, word repetitions, caesuras and line breaks (which occupy beats in musical meter but not in verse meter).  I imagine it's comparatively rare, except in hymns, that a poem is fitted to a melody consisting of equal-length notes.  In fact the most "natural" setting of iambic pentameter in music is probably triple time, allowing two musical beats for each stressed syllable and one for each unstressed syllable (as in "She Walks in Beauty")  - the closest to speech-rhythm, I mean....   I'm sure others here know much more about this topic.



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