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Hi Meic, Yes - I've seen and used them all. Sadly, without knowing why the Ning site didn't prove sustainable ..?.. I am none the wiser here. Regards, Jen On 26 September 2014 16:27, Meic Pierce Owen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Irmspace was a fully functional ningsite. In its first month it > attracted 500+ members and killed the listserve stone-dead. It did not > however, prove sustainable. > > > > You may still view its homepage at http://irmspace.ning.com/ > > > > ARA adopted a similar format for their member site. > > > > The UK Government has a similar site called knowledgehub. > > > > These were and are good sites. > > > > I hope this clarifies a little. > > > > Regards > > > > Meic > > > > *From:* The Information and Records Management Society mailing list > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Jen Parker > *Sent:* 26 September 2014 16:15 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Fwd: The RM listserv, still?! > > > > > > So that was that? > > > > If I am to be blunt, I don't think that these projects ever get the > design-attention they deserve. Nor harness the feedback constructively. > > Like every IT project i've ever known, sadly. > > > Jen > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Meic Pierce Owen* <[log in to unmask]> > Date: 26 September 2014 16:00 > Subject: RE: The RM listserv, still?! > To: Jen Parker <[log in to unmask]> > Cc: "[log in to unmask]" < > [log in to unmask]> > > I personally have a lot of empathy with what you say Jen yet when we at > IRMS ran a live Facebook equivalent site, Irmspace, it simply did not > bubble. > > Meic > > > > *From:* Jen Parker [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* 26 September 2014 15:58 > *To:* Meic Pierce Owen > *Cc:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: The RM listserv, still?! > > > > "There are indeed many ways we *could* be having these discussions (from > a technological perspective) yet we appear to be, within the context of our > busy work lives, most comfortable with that which requires least effort." > > > > Yes. Embarrassing, isn't it. Shameful, even. 'We' (not me) prefer to just > let it drip in, and look busy deleting the things. > A blog wd certainly suit those who otherwise use the listserv to reach > their captive audience. > > > > I don't think it's "time" that stops these other platforms being > successful. (especially given how much time is lost reading and deleting > emails!). Look at how much time (most) ppl spend talking to ppl on > Facebook. They need to be smarter, more responsive, more intuitive (wow, it > feels like i'm talking about DM software all over again). > > A good collaboration platform (amongst other things) lets you start and > have conversations in real time (just like Facebook does) and keeps you > switched on to all the content that you want (e.g following conversations > etc). Then one cd actively opt in or out of those umpteen training > adverts, course reminders and retention queries; which wd be formatted in > such a way as to make them really helpful. (cos you tag them, and then > search for them again, just like you use tags in Twitter). Email filters > incidentally are not a decent solution to good content curation! They are > the best-that-we-can-do-right-now. Ppl do log in when they know that it's > dynamic and current content, and they will pay for subscription if the > service works for them, and give them quality curated professional content. > Advertsing cd surely fund it? > > > New people entering this profession all the time, they must surely laugh > at how we're running the show. > > Sorry, but it makes me despair. > > > Jen > > > > > > > > On 26 September 2014 08:55, Meic Pierce Owen <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Jen > > > > Interesting post and a very fair point. > > > > However, in defence of ‘the listserve’ what we, and other organisations > have found, is that it is not that easy to sustain activity on any platform > that requires individuals to make a conscious decision to go there. > > > > We at IRMS found that with our irmspace professional discussion and > networking site and other sibling organisations have found the same. > Indeed, groups using the UK public sector Knowledge Hub have also found the > same. The ‘problem’ seems to be that whilst these platforms do well > initially, most of us simply do not have the time to routinely log-on to > additional platforms whilst the listserve approach sits quite happily > within our already up and running email. > > > > That is not to say that these platforms are not worth re-visiting. IRMS > launched a discussion forum a year ago now and this has proven very > valuable as a platform for internal discussions. It has not, however, > proven popular with the profession. We are looking at reviewing the > reasons for this with a view to making any functionality changes that might > help uptake and then relaunching the platform thereafter. > > > > So, whilst I agree with you, I think what we are currently seeing is > something rather interesting. There are indeed many ways we *could* be > having these discussions (from a technological perspective) yet we appear > to be, within the context of our busy work lives, most comfortable with > that which requires least effort. > > > > Regards > > > > Meic > > > > Meic Pierce Owen > > IRMS Chair > > > > > > > > *From:* The Information and Records Management Society mailing list > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Jen Parker > *Sent:* 25 September 2014 18:29 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* The RM listserv, still?! > > > > Does anyone else see the irony in Records Managers using the RM listserv, > still - in 2014? > > > > With its sheer inability to filter the content, or preserve the really > good stuff posted here - for posterity. > > > > It beggars belief, non? > > > > So much better software we must have to pick from. 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