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Arguably IRMSpace never got going because of the RM Listserv. One was active whilst the other struggled to gain traction. It was proposed that the Listserv be retired to allow the IRMSpace to flourish (or rather force migration to the more modern platform). This was not allowed to happen so IRMSpace never gained widespread adoption. Arguably, again, while Listserv remains other initiative will most likely suffer the same fate. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -----Original Message----- From: Meic Pierce Owen <[log in to unmask]> Sender: The Information and Records Management Society mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:00:35 To: <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Meic Pierce Owen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The RM listserv, still?! I personally have a lot of empathy with what you say Jen yet when we at IRMS ran a live Facebook equivalent site, Irmspace, it simply did not bubble. Meic From: Jen Parker [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 26 September 2014 15:58 To: Meic Pierce Owen Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: The RM listserv, still?! "There are indeed many ways we could be having these discussions (from a technological perspective) yet we appear to be, within the context of our busy work lives, most comfortable with that which requires least effort." Yes. Embarrassing, isn't it. Shameful, even. 'We' (not me) prefer to just let it drip in, and look busy deleting the things. A blog wd certainly suit those who otherwise use the listserv to reach their captive audience. I don't think it's "time" that stops these other platforms being successful. (especially given how much time is lost reading and deleting emails!). Look at how much time (most) ppl spend talkign to ppl on Facebook. They need to be smarter, more responsive, more intuitive (wow, it feels like i'm talking about DM software all over again). A good collaboration platform (amongst other things) lets you start and have conversations in real time (just like Facebook does) and keeps you switched on to all the content that you want (e.g following conversations etc). Then one cd actively opt in or out of those umpteen training adverts, course reminders and retention queries; which wd be formatted in such a way as to make them really helpful. (cos you tag them, and then search for them again, just like you use tags in Twitter). Email filters incidentally are not a decent solution to good content curation! they are the best-that-we-can-do-right-now. Ppl do log in when they know that it's dynamic and current, and they will pay for subscription if the service works for them, and give them quality curated professional content. Advertsing cd surely fund it? New people entering this profession all the time, they must surely laugh at how we're running the show. Sorry, but it makes me despair. Jen On 26 September 2014 08:55, Meic Pierce Owen <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Jen Interesting post and a very fair point. However, in defence of ‘the listserve’ what we, and other organisations have found, is that it is not that easy to sustain activity on any platform that requires individuals to make a conscious decision to go there. We at IRMS found that with our irmspace professional discussion and networking site and other sibling organisations have found the same. Indeed, groups using the UK public sector Knowledge Hub have also found the same. The ‘problem’ seems to be that whilst these platforms do well initially, most of us simply do not have the time to routinely log-on to additional platforms whilst the listserve approach sits quite happily within our already up and running email. That is not to say that these platforms are not worth re-visiting. IRMS launched a discussion forum a year ago now and this has proven very valuable as a platform for internal discussions. It has not, however, proven popular with the profession. We are looking at reviewing the reasons for this with a view to making any functionality changes that might help uptake and then relaunching the platform thereafter. So, whilst I agree with you, I think what we are currently seeing is something rather interesting. There are indeed many ways we could be having these discussions (from a technological perspective) yet we appear to be, within the context of our busy work lives, most comfortable with that which requires least effort. Regards Meic Meic Pierce Owen IRMS Chair From: The Information and Records Management Society mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Jen Parker Sent: 25 September 2014 18:29 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: The RM listserv, still?! Does anyone else see the irony in Records Managers using the RM listserv, still - in 2014? With its sheer inability to filter the content, or preserve the really good stuff posted here - for posterity. It beggars belief, non? So much better software we must have to pick from. There are so many better ways to present and preserve this content, and manage our respective wheat to chaff ratios. The emails are frankly out of control. Us , of all people... Jen Parker RM practitioner, of sorts. (I think it's really time I just opted to unsubscribe..) 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