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Carlos, You seem to be making the same point that I was making. I'm trying to point out that the term designer applies to a very large number of professionals of which only a small proportion are graphics and communications designers. Rocket designers design rockets, Aerospatial designers use aerospatial design standards. You seem to be suggesting that the term 'DESIGNERS" only includes graphic and communication designers. Is that so? The reality is that graphic designers are a small subgroup that emerged and joined Design rather recently and communication designers (in the Art and Design sense) even more recently. Cheers, Terry -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carlos Pires Sent: Sunday, 14 September 2014 9:52 AM To: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subject: Re: Most fields of Design was The (lack of?) design quality of academic paper formatting On 14/09/2014, at 02:05, Terence Love wrote: > Hence my suggestion that it is not necessary to call on ALL designers > to fix any problems with formatting standards of design texts. Quick reminder: > To: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and > related research in Design What the OP was probably suggesting was to call on ALL designers RESPONSIBLE for research PUBLICATION STANDARDS to do the thing properly. I liken it to calling on all architects to NOT build their guild office without any plans and out of cardboard boxes and tin cans. Or calling on all automoobile designers NOT to commute on the back of mules. The list goes on... Let's take a look at my emphasis on PUBLICATION STANDARDS. Let's switch "publication" with "aerospatial". Would you trust AEROSPATIAL STANDARDS to graphic designers? I bet you wouldn't. So... why do you trust PUBLICATION STANDARDS to people who know zero about publications? Just because a badly designed (correction: non-designed) publication doesn't explode killing everyone, it doesn't mean it's worthless. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to design publications, but you need to be a DESIGNER. The way you dismiss this issue is almost an insult to anyone who is a communication / visual designer. It shows at least a gross misconception of what design is. ================================== Carlos Pires [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] ------------------------------------------------------------- Design & New Media MFA // Communication Design PhD Student @ FBA-UL Check the project blog: http://thegolemproject.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------