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A good point well made Jason. I think the size of the final prize can be a factor that can make it worth taking a punt but often that is a gamble that freelancers and small businesses cannot take. Clearly some of those commissioning donıt fully appreciate what it is they asking people to undertake in terms of time and therefore money.....And donıt get me going about those who wonıt give decent feedback to unsuccessful pitchers...adding insult to injury! Not ranting, just stating fact...happy Friday all! Frank Crosby Director Call: 01353 720 000 | 07595 119 582 @FrankCrosby visit my profile on uk.LinkedIn Tricolor Highly Commended in the national 2014 Museums + Heritage Excellence Marketing award tricolorassociates.co.uk Heritage Development | Marketing | Fundraising On 29/08/2014 14:52, "Jason" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I was considering putting in a proposal for this until I read this:- > > Please send a proposal for the design and layout. This should include a > sample character, map layout and illustration of one or more of the cultural > organisations.ı > > I would estimate the work to be done before even being considered for this job > to be at least 4-5 hours. Over £100 worth of work at my normal rates for a job > worth £350. Am I prepared to do this? No. Do I have any guarantee that my > design work wonıt be shown to the successful candidate and my ideas used > without payment or credit in the final work? No. > > This type of brief is is what is known as free pitching. IE the designer is > expected produce a proposal that includes a considerable amount of prior work > on the brief without payment. This is a highly controversial area amongst > designers and many, including big companies who can afford to devote the > resources, refuse to participate in this type of bid. Instead insisting that > any decision be made on the quality and relevance of their previous work. > > Here are a few articles on the subject. I hope GEMers will consider exactly > what they are asking for when putting future briefs together and whether it is > reasonable or not to demand free pitches. > > https://medium.com/making-a-living/no-more-free-pitching-86e946c4b2ef > http://www.designbusinessireland.org/publications/free-pitching/ > http://www.dbaexpertsregister.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id > =55&Itemid=55 > http://www.dia.org.au/index.cfm?id=245 > http://www.leadcreative.co.uk/no-free-pitching > > Thank You > Jason Hurley > Crumplezone Multimedia > 01257 416596 > <www.crumplezone.co.uk> > > > > > on 28/8/14 17:11, Nia McIntosh at [log in to unmask] wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Please find attached a design brief for a family map this is being jointly >> produced by a number of small museums in North London. >> >> Proposals should be submitted directly to Rebecca Campbell-Gay at Islington >> Museum as per the brief ([log in to unmask]). >> >> All best, >> Nia >> ___________________________________ >> >> Nia McIntosh >> Education and Outreach Officer >> Charles Dickens Museum >> 48 Doughty Street >> London WC1N 2LX >> England >> >> Tel: 020 7405 2127 >> www.dickensmuseum.com >> <https://83.67.46.144/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=">http://www.dickensmuseum.co >> m/> <http://www.dickensmuseum.com/> >> Registered charity no. 212172 >> >> + + + + + + + + + + + + + >> + + + + + + + GEM list: Contact the list owner for >> assistance at [log in to unmask] For information about joining, >> leaving and suspending mail (eg during a holiday) see the list website at >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=GEM + + + + + >> + + + + + + + + + + + + + >> + + > > + + + + + + + + + + + + + > + + + + + + + GEM list: Contact the list owner for > assistance at [log in to unmask] For information about joining, > leaving and suspending mail (eg during a holiday) see the list website at > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=GEM + + + + + > + + + + + + + + + + + + + > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + GEM list: Contact the list owner for assistance at [log in to unmask] For information about joining, leaving and suspending mail (eg during a holiday) see the list website at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=GEM + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +