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Ah-hah, the game is afoot! And who might be the arbiters or guardians of said craft, Michael? To whom should we turn, Batman-like, in our hour of need? Who will draw the burning dichotomic line between journalist and blogger? Don't keep us in suspense! (It'd make maintaining my CV a lot easier, fot starters.) My retort was intended to highlight the sweeping nature of your statement; I guess my bloggy vernacular obscured my rhetorical thrust. "My bad," as I believe The Kids are known to say. PGR On 25 Jul 2014 22:26, "Michael Kenward" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Why? > > > > Science journalism is not a science. It isn’t even a profession. It is a > craft. It is not amenable to the citation game that academics enjoy. > > > > That is a part of the point. > > > > If you really need a citation, quote me. > > > > MK > > > > > > > > *From:* psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Paul G Raven > *Sent:* 2014-July-25 19:33 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PSCI-COM] SciLogs Blogging > > > > " Bloggers can't balance a sense of journalistic integrity with those > things because they have nothing to do with journalistic integrity." > > Citation needed. > > PGR > > On 25 Jul 2014 19:21, "Michael Kenward" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > I thought you might pick up this bit Philip: > > "How do other bloggers balance a sense of journalistic integrity, a desire > to positively communicate science and campaigning in the interest of > science, I wonder?" > > Bloggers can't balance a sense of journalistic integrity with those things > because they have nothing to do with journalistic integrity. > > I am not the only one to point it out – Tom Wilkie did it at recent UK > Conference of Science Journalists and Steve Connor has said it many times > in my presence – but it is not a journalist's job to "positively > communicate science" or to indulge in "campaigning in the interest of > science". > > That is what separates bloggers from journalists. Bloggers believe in all > those things. Journalists just follow the story. It may more many not > "positively communicate science" it may or may not be "in the interest of > science". If anything, the best stories are quite the opposite. > > I was recently talking to one of the grand old men of science journalism. > (Nearly as old as me even.) We got into one of those usual philosophical > discussions. (And this was before we had a drink.) His response to my > question "What is science journalism for?" was "To hold the buggers to > account". Seems about right to me, even if it isn't likely to positively > communicate science – or even to communicate science positively – or be in > the interest of science. > > MK > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Philip Hunt > Sent: 2014-July-25 12:20 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] SciLogs Blogging > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear Paige, > > Thank you for your kind offer. But I think you're missing the > essential point here. My post took time to write, and after writing it > I decided it was worth posting on my own blog at > http://www.shoeman.eu/on-value-of-blogging/ > > My reasoning? That if I'm to spend time writing something that will > not bring any financial gain, then I might as well at least use the > time and result to benefit my own blog. Because 6 years down the line, > who knows where it might lead. There's another reason – very important > in these days of digital-first – I retain the copyright! > > I'm not going to spend time and effort boosting the online profile of > another organisation, and risk losing my copyright to boot, when no > remuneration is being offered. For a writer, that would be a no-win > situation. Of course I understand that for those scientists and > researchers who are already being paid a salary, the situation may be > different. > > But I'm afraid that operations like yours are part of the problem > facing the creative world today – that of, essentially, a distraction. > If you are to earn (any kind of) a living writing today, then you have > to closely examine the time/reward equation. Otherwise, you go out of > business and do something else. > > I believe that in the commercial world it's called watching the bottom > line! > > Regards, > > Philip > > [log in to unmask] > +32 2 687 2177 > +32 484 361336 (mob) > www.lines.be/ > www.shoeman.eu/ > > > Philip, I think some of the things you are talking about deserve to > > be talked about in the science blogosphere - I would be happy to > > host your thoughts on this on our Guest Blog at SciLogs.com. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT0j07AAoJEMCURNrN5ni+2OQH/21V0GNug3mNEesK6T+DyZEt > 0l4kctiv0bg8/nP7bNkWeEtTZfvwzxAMjrWWX43GOPVFKJI/EtOBEaTUqBLc1IuP > q2IvQcKsnoNDdxAkWpFvl1Qj/9YzGwfpS4+XCGaL2uGnyd+C9m4pGPl92Bae/pUC > NqIP+WJvZzZXAwVdKM5M3PDPcWPNYkeiedLMWA6/yxQXouKGfhI1H0Zb/iZMvt+a > Vhg2LaPOEzwIkM0tvSGl8PHu9cZmNTWc/w8HF6KuKWxH3HBrJ8ikSdC1JL59Tv04 > PXVEk8KlkvrBYWWrexccrwvf9ps/oKm8W7bJ7oBjzgvsa1QMvQagPyHeoaP0vy8= > =yFBM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ********************************************************************** > > Commands - send an email (any subject) to [log in to unmask] with > one of the following messages (ignoring text in brackets) > > • set psci-com nomail (to stop receiving messages while on holiday) > • set psci-com mail (to resume getting messages) > • signoff psci-com (to leave the list) > • Subscribe here https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=psci-com > > Contact list owner at [log in to unmask] > Small print and JISCMail acceptable use policy > https://sites.google.com/site/pscicomjiscmail/the-small-print > > ********************************************************************** > > ********************************************************************** > > Commands - send an email (any subject) to [log in to unmask] with > one of the following messages (ignoring text in brackets) > > • set psci-com nomail (to stop receiving messages while on holiday) > • set psci-com mail (to resume getting messages) > • signoff psci-com (to leave the list) > • Subscribe here https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=psci-com > > Contact list owner at [log in to unmask] > Small print and JISCMail acceptable use policy > https://sites.google.com/site/pscicomjiscmail/the-small-print > > ********************************************************************** > > ********************************************************************** > > Commands - send an email (any subject) to [log in to unmask] with > one of the following messages (ignoring text in brackets) > > • set psci-com nomail (to stop receiving messages while on holiday) • set > psci-com mail (to resume getting messages) • signoff psci-com (to leave the > list) • Subscribe here > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=psci-com > > Contact list owner at [log in to unmask] Small print and > JISCMail acceptable use policy > https://sites.google.com/site/pscicomjiscmail/the-small-print > > ********************************************************************** > ********************************************************************** > > Commands - send an email (any subject) to [log in to unmask] with > one of the following messages (ignoring text in brackets) > > • set psci-com nomail (to stop receiving messages while on holiday) • set > psci-com mail (to resume getting messages) • signoff psci-com (to leave the > list) • Subscribe here > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=psci-com > > Contact list owner at [log in to unmask] Small print and > JISCMail acceptable use policy > https://sites.google.com/site/pscicomjiscmail/the-small-print > > ********************************************************************** > ********************************************************************** Commands - send an email (any subject) to [log in to unmask] with one of the following messages (ignoring text in brackets) • set psci-com nomail (to stop receiving messages while on holiday) • set psci-com mail (to resume getting messages) • signoff psci-com (to leave the list) • Subscribe here https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=psci-com Contact list owner at [log in to unmask] Small print and JISCMail acceptable use policy https://sites.google.com/site/pscicomjiscmail/the-small-print **********************************************************************