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1. The death toll of civilians is unchecked, since HAMAS tends to define his terrorist as civilians. 
2. Several major incidents - HAMAS fired rockets, but they landed in Gaza, caused death to Palestinian civilians (7 rockets landed in Gaza just yesterday)
And there are more, just don't have time now to write them all down.

Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov
David Yellin College of Education

On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Ann Overbergh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Elina, please explain yourself as we are talking about innocent people here, dead for no reason they had anything to do with. 
Are you suggesting that the figures quoted by Milly are wrong? How do they qualify as "pure propaganda"? These stats are all over the media: 1200 Palestinians, half of whom are women and children.
Please also clarify why Levy is a lunatic?
Thanks,
Ann


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Milly, it's very nice of you to pass here pure propaganda, but as I said I have absolutely no intention to discuss the sources here. You are referring once again to yourself as "a world", which is a bit disturbing, but understandable. Regarding Levy, even his ex-wife, a very smart Palestinian girl was wise enough not to listen to this lunatic.


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Milly Williamson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Perhaps Elina really doesn’t know that over 1,200 Palestinians have been killed since the siege started and that over 250 of them were children. Perhaps she doesn’t know these facts because the Israeli Broadcasting Authority banned the human rights organisation B’Tselem from broadcasting a paid-for advert on Israeli Radio which listed the names of the dead children. The thing is, Elina, that the rest of the world has seen the list of names of these dead children, and we have seen pictures of them.  Many of them were babies. We have also seen the pictures of the thousands of traumatised and injured children in Gaza. Have you read Gideon Levy yet?

 

From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carlsten, Jennie
Sent: 30 July 2014 13:46


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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

 

Of course Elina has a right to express her views.  Surely it is appropriate for others to point out where those views are informed by her professional affiliations. That would seem very pertinent to the discussion and to the purpose of having such a discussion in this forum.

Far from shutting her out of the conversation, I would very much like to ask Elina, again, to clarify her words about "the hundreds of dead terrorists whom you call children."

Please.

Best regards,
Jennie Carlsten 

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Sent: 30 July 2014 13:41
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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

Dear Karl,

 

It seems appropriate to include the information that Elina states on her own Linked In page that she has acted as an advisor to Netanyahu. If that is a 'smear and slur', then I suggest you ask Elina why she has slurred herself.

 

I am happy to say that I have gone on protest marches against the current genocide in Gaza. That, of course, should colour your and Elina's and others' interpretation of my contribution to this debate.

 

Best wishes,

 

Cahal


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On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:36, Spracklen, Karl wrote:



Hello all

 

While I tend to agree with the majority view here on the disgraceful actions of the Israeli government, I am disturbed by the way this is becoming a trial by smear and slur of Elina. Are we going to do some research on everyone who comments here so we can establish what they may have done in the past that makes them ‘less reliable’? This is becoming rather nasty rather quickly and we would all warn our students from making such ad hominem attacks.

 

Elina has a complete right to state her views and to defend herself in a civilized manner. Yes, I know Palestinians are being denied that by the Israeli government, but two wrongs do not make a right.

 

Karl Spracklen

 

 

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Sent: 30 July 2014 13:27
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Probably it was Elina who advised her Prime Minster, Benjamin Netanyahu, to establish this programme:

 

Israel Offers Students Grants If They Tweet Favorable Propaganda. See this:

 

In a campaign to improve its image abroad, the Israeli government plans to provide scholarships to hundreds of students at its seven universities in exchange for their making pro-Israel Facebook posts and tweets to foreign audiences.

The students making the posts will not reveal online that they are funded by the Israeli government, according to correspondence about the plan revealed in the Haaretz newspaper.

 

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office, which will oversee the programme, confirmed its launch and wrote that its aim was to “strengthen Israeli public diplomacy and make it fit the changes in the means of information consumption”.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Cahal McLaughlin <[log in to unmask]>
To: Mohammed Ali <[log in to unmask]> 
Cc: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

 

Dear all,

 

Just to remind late joiners to the list, that Elina is named on her Linked-In page as an advisor to the Israeli prime minister.

 

Cahal

 


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On 30 Jul 2014, at 12:32, Mohammed Ali wrote:

 

Elina,

 

You can play the role of the victim as much as you want but won't be able to mislead us. You need to admit that Israel is occupying and looting Palestinian lands, destroying their homes, illegally blockading the Gaza Strip, unjustly put people in prison including children, targeting hospitals and disabled care homes, and unlawful implementing continuing and discriminate attacks. About 1300 civilians killed, 40% children, and thwarting any peace efforts and many other criminal acts. What do you expect? You are very lucky to have a shelter to hide but but Palestinians don't have one. For several times, UN schools used as shelters have been targeted - including one today killing more than 20 people. Please don't give us any 'moral' lessons and only blame your illegal terrorist government. 

Mohammed-Ali

University of Bedfordshire. 


On 30 Jul 2014, at 11:51, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Milly, this is really nice of you to write for the whole world... Especially about hundreds of dead terrorists whom you call children... (And yes, I am aware of civilian casualties, which is very sad indeed). 

And my point regarding rockets is - even if something does't kill you, it does irreversible psychological damage. Just think about it - you are writing me this post from some nice office and I am replying from a very unpleasant bomb shelter. And since we have sirens again, I am sorry, but you will have to continue this important discussion without me.

 

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Milly Williamson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Well, imagine then what it must have felt like for the hundreds of children who were blown apart by Israeli bombs; imagine the hundreds and hundreds of dead adults; imagine the thousands of injured and maimed, with very little medical help; imagine the mothers who have had to hold their dead children; imagine fleeing to a UN school, because you have nowhere else to go, and still being blown apart by Israeli bombs.

 

Israel is finally losing its propaganda war. No one believes your lies any more, except you.

 

 

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Sent: 30 July 2014 11:18
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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

 

 

I just hope that you called my point of view a "Zionist provocation". It is really flattering, as I have never answered any of "anti-Zionist" posts or emails. This time I really decided that this very interesting and important community has to hear the other voice. The voice of someone, who jumped out of bed once again during the night because of some HAMAS fanatic, who decided to send another rocket to her home town.

PS From personal experience - the siren is much more frightening than a rocket. You keep hearing a siren for 45 seconds and it takes only a few seconds for a rocket to explode.

 

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Michael Chanan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

The members of this list are to be congratulated for a discussion which, while different points of viewed were being aired, immediately rose to the Zionist provocation and transcended it before the perpetrator was outed. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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