Without belittling the importance of these debates, I can't help noting that I seem to be currently receiving emails in three or four different strands, all relating to the Israel problem, and in none of which has the level of discussion of the role the media risen above the level of casual accusations of bias/propaganda etc. In the context of a list that is supposed to be focused on media, I can't say I find this particularly illuminating, and the sheer volume of posts entering my inbox is beginning to irritate. Could I gently suggest moving the political debate to more appropriate venue and/or raising the level of discussion of media's role before I (and I am sure others) start reaching for the unsubscribe link.

Peace

Mike

On 30 July 2014 10:29, Cahal McLaughlin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear John,

It would be helpful to the debate if you kept to the subject rather than introduce personal criticism.

Best wishes,

Cahal

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On 29 Jul 2014, at 21:01, John Armitage wrote:

Your own signature says more than I ever could about the 'look at me, look at me' phenomenon than I ever could Julian

John

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On 29 Jul 2014, at 20:26, Julian McDougall <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I think there's room for both.

Very serious debate, such as we've had today, more routine information

about new publications, conferences, calls for chapters etc and exchanges

that fall somewhere between.

All are worthy of attention or if deemed otherwise ('dross', even), are

easy to delete. I think it's a bit more than "look at me", in fairness,

more of an honest hope that this list represents the most likely audience

for peoples' work.

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On 29/07/2014 20:04, "John Armitage" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Well, all I can say is thank you to Michael Chanan and Elina

Bardach-Yalov for at least initiating a debate on the Meccsa list. In my

experience this list never rises above the level of the postgrad notice

board with actual debate almost actively discouraged, as it was today by

some. Thank you for at least setting something off on this list other

than the usual 'look at me, look at me' I have published an article/book/

web page dross.

John

Sent from my iPad

On 29 Jul 2014, at 19:38, Cahal McLaughlin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Thanks for this research.

Cahal

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Sent: 29 July 2014 18:29

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

Elina Bardach-Yalov is listed as a former Political Communications

advisor for Mr Benjamin Netanyahu on Linked In: see

here<https://www.linkedin.com/pub/elina-bardach-yalov/6/1a1/4a5>

Enough said.

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From: Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]>

To: [log in to unmask]

Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2014, 18:15

Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

Dear Paul,

I guess you don't like my answers since they confront your position and

the position of the other European scholars. I must admit - I don't care

much. The Israeli voice is mostly unheard in british media - I lived

there, so I know it for sure. Moreover, the Palestinian voices are also

unheard. Do you know that 20 Palestinians were murdered today by HAMAS

just for their protests against this terrorist group?

This is the real situation here - it is quite different from what you

see on television. The media know how to frame the conflict in order to

preserve it. And we just want to end it. Israel can go for two state

solution and wants to do it, however, unless the world and the media are

supporting HAMAS this will never happen. I am sorry for trying to ruin

your perfect: "Israel is to be blamed for everything" world, but this is

the reality, not some scholarly work. If you want to help the people of

Gaza, just try to influence your policy makers to help Israel getting

rid of HAMAS fanatics.

Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov

David Yellin College of Education

On Jul 29, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Paul Ward

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<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Elina

Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>

Sent: 29 July 2014 16:20

To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

Ladies and Gents,

You simply don't let me go. But honestly, I have to work, so I am sorry

for being unavailable to answer every single mail.

No one targets civilians. We are not HAMAS who try every single day to

kill our women and children. As I said there might be mistakes. They are

unfortunate, tragic incidents.

Gaza, just to remind you is absolutely free. But we are not obligated

to let every single terrorist enter our country. Do you let everyone

enter UK or US?

And I blame no one for out problems with terrorists. I am just asking

to stop supporting terrorists. As far as I remember nobody supported IRA

or Red Brigades, when they killed people, so what's the difference?

Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov

David Yellin College of Education

On Jul 29, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Gabriel Moreno

<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:gabrielmore

[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

Elina, you are free to fool yourself and keep repeating over and over

that Israel does not target civilians. Here's just one reminder that it

does (even though it will never accept it officially):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pie6NAVPSaU

And you're wrong, no one supports Hamas, their use of civilians as

human shields is deplorable. However, the existence of this wretched

political and armed organisation within Palestine is an understandable

response to decades of Israeli oppression and occupation. You would do

well to broaden your mind a little bit, and try not to blind yourself to

such a fact, which was very well put by Mike Wayne and Deirdre O'Neill

above:

"When the oppressed lift one stone or fire one rocket back at the

racist oppressors the latter can always rely on apologists to be

absolutely blind to the violence of their states"

(Susan, you can "mute" this specific conversation (if you have Google

just select it from your inbox then go to the "More" menu and select

"Mute".)

On 29 July 2014 15:38, Philip Phillis

<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><ma

ilto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

Last time i recall, Palestinians do not own a proper military force

like Israel and its allies do. Hamas may be a dangerous and devious

organization but they are probably all that Palestinians have got

against their oppressors

Philip Phillis PhD Candidate in Film Studies

University of Glasgow

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L.AC.UK>

Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

Hi: Sorry, but how is firing off hundreds of rockets initially

“defensive”? And I’ve heard that there are a number of Palestinians

afraid of Hamas. (I know I would be if I lived there. I wouldn’t be

running around telling the foreign media, “I’d really like Hamas to stop

firing rockets due to the results”, but instead, “War is bad” or “Blame

the Israelis”.) Are you saying that you support Hamas’s organizational

actions, which I understand that the EU, Canada, US, Jordan and Egypt

have designated it a terrorist organization, where many of us live, (and

Iran, Russia, China and Turkey have not)?

Or are you arguing that the initial rockets were “defensive” in a more

overall, generalized sense? If Gaza and Hamas were in Kent, I really do

wonder if the UK government would act any differently. Again better

proposed actions are desperately needed!

Peace to all.

Kim Min Su

From: Gabriel Moreno

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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 16:13

To: artdesigncafe

Cc:

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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

It's rather puzzling how supporters of Israel's state terrorism in

Palestine normally argue that they have the right to protect themselves

from Hamas terrorism, overlooking that Israel is an occupying force, and

that as such, it's Hamas who's actually defending their people from an

aggressor who relies on the systematic decimation of Palestinians as a

means to perpetuate its occupation.

Israelis should wake up tot he fact that they're an occupying force,

it's ludicrous that they expect Palestinians to sit down and give up

their human dignity.

On 29 July 2014 14:47, artdesigncafe

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wrote:

A “more considered argument”??

What would you expect the United Kingdom to do if the Netherlands was

firing off hundreds of rockets over to England? Nothing, or what would

your proposed actions be? If rockets were being fired from my neighbors

flat or the roof, and UK bombed, I’d blame the neighbors, not the UK.

I’d also factor in the current role of Egypt in relation to Gaza and the

civilians, the attack tunnels, who is firing first and violating any

cease-fires and the overall results, where exactly is the Hamas

leadership and why are they really there, what exactly is this human

shield element and how does it work, and determining to what extent

people in Gaza can (or can’t) speak freely against Hamas.

With regard to ‘western support’, I’d suggest reviewing the transcripts

of Wolf Blitzer (Monday) and Candy Crowley (Sunday) on CNN

“interviewing” Palestinian reps, who simply would not answer any direct

questions about incoming rocket fire or tunnels, and were allowed to do

so.

At the least we probably can agree that we’d like this all to stop, and

I think that begins by not one rocket being fired out of Gaza.

From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA)

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@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>] On Behalf Of Cahal

McLaughlin

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 14:57

To:

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L.AC.UK><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>

Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza

Thanks Michael, for your post.

If Elina would like to make a more considered argument as to why the

israeli violence currently killing civilians on masse (the majority of

deaths are civilians) is not state terrorism, it might be worth reading.

I know some will regard such a debate as not appropriate for Meccsa,

but I consider Mchael's post to be acceptable in pointing out media bias

in the current inexcusable western support for such a massacre.

Best wishes,

Cahal

Cahal McLaughlin

Professor of Film Studies,

School of Creative Arts,

Queens University Belfast

Room 003, First Floor,

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N. Ireland

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On 29 Jul 2014, at 13:40, John Armitage wrote:

Agree with Stevphen Shukaitis

Also, this from Patrick Cockburn in the Independent goes some way to

explaining Israel’s new ‘slick’ media pundits …

John

…………………………………………….

Sunday 27 July 2014

The secret report that helps Israel hide facts

The slickness of Israel's spokesmen is rooted in directions set down by

the pollster Frank Luntz

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secre

t-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html

Israeli spokesmen have their work cut out explaining how they have

killed more than 1,000 Palestinians in Gaza, most of them civilians,

compared with just three civilians killed in Israel by Hamas rocket and

mortar fire. But on television and radio and in newspapers, Israeli

government spokesmen such as Mark Regev appear slicker and less

aggressive than their predecessors, who were often visibly indifferent

to how many Palestinians were killed.

There is a reason for this enhancement of the PR skills of Israeli

spokesmen. Going by what they say, the playbook they are using is a

professional, well-researched and confidential study on how to influence

the media and public opinion in America and Europe. Written by the

expert Republican pollster and political strategist Dr Frank Luntz, the

study was commissioned five years ago by a group called The Israel

Project, with offices in the US and Israel, for use by those "who are on

the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel".

Every one of the 112 pages in the booklet is marked "not for

distribution or publication" and it is easy to see why. The Luntz

report, officially entitled "The Israel project's 2009 Global Language

Dictionary, was leaked almost immediately to Newsweek Online, but its

true importance has seldom been appreciated. It should be required

reading for everybody, especially journalists, interested in any aspect

of Israeli policy because of its "dos and don'ts" for Israeli spokesmen.

These are highly illuminating about the gap between what Israeli

officials and politicians really believe, and what they say, the latter

shaped in minute detail by polling to determine what Americans want to

hear. Certainly, no journalist interviewing an Israeli spokesman should

do so without reading this preview of many of the themes and phrases

employed by Mr Regev and his colleagues.

The booklet is full of meaty advice about how they should shape their

answers for different audiences. For example, the study says that

"Americans agree that Israel 'has a right to defensible borders'. But it

does you no good to define exactly what those borders should be. Avoid

talking about borders in terms of pre- or post-1967, because it only

serves to remind Americans of Israel's military history. Particularly on

the left this does you harm. For instance, support for Israel's right to

def

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