Dear all,Since the discussion here becomes ugly and personal I want to thank everyone, who participated in it and to say that I really appreciate the contributions made to this important discussion.I want to state once again that I am no longer working for any political figure in Israel and whatever was written here was absolutely personal with no bodies or organisations involved.I am sure that no one has a right to tell the others how they should feel or think, but I am also sure that someone could be interested in listening to "the other side".Thank you all once again,Elina
Dr. Elina Bardach-YalovDavid Yellin College of Education--------------------------------------------------------I have no intention of being 'productive'.. I just react when I see how cold-blooded people can be when it comes to facing other people's pain.I'm repeating it: not being openly against the policies of Israel makes you a part of a huge crime against humanity.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear Akhmed,This blame game and inappropriate tone are counter productive.Best,
Dr. Elina Bardach-YalovDavid Yellin College of EducationOk Elina, I must tell you that self-centered people ('my baby, my baby!') like you are the main reason for the continuation of indifference and war... here are some other babies (sorry for sending so violent pictures but this may open your eyes a bit to the evil-violence that protects 'your baby')--------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Gabriel Moreno <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Thank you Simon,
Your contribution clearly sums up my own sentiments when it comes to the critical stance, angry indeed, that I have myself adopted toward Israel. I also fully agree with your assessment of the HP's link shared by Ingo, which I had read several days ago, concluding it peddled one of those simplistic binary premises that do little to clarify the political economy of the conflict, and much to justify Israel's unjustifiable atrocities in Gaza through over-engineered explanation.
That said, I take issue with Ingo's politically correct academicism, first for sharing a link whose main premise is "here's what you should know before taking sides", and second, for peddling the notion that we're all ganging on Elina.
As far as I'm concerned, Elina is but a member of an interpretive community which at the moment, happens to represent those in charge of Israel's state sponsored terrorism. I think Emad Moussa below put it right when he suggested that Elina's approach to this thread is work-like. Given Elina's Israeli connections, that makes a lot of sense. Ingo, if you haven't noticed, Israel has deployed armies not only on the ground in Gaza, but all over the planet, who are on crisis management mode, pushing the same mind-numbing propaganda that Elina is peddling on this thread.
That said, and to get back to Simon's intervention, I'm glad that social media gives a new voice to those of us who never had one when it came to engaging in these geopolitical developments. In this context, to add some more elements of media and communication studies to this, (if it wasn't obvious for the mailing list managers), I see with interest how individuals like Russell Brand (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m98GAdqKM), are contributing to balance out the asymmetric information that audiences were limited to in the age of mass communication.
Best,
Gabriel
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> On 31 Jul 2014, at 08:27, "Dawes, Simon 2005 (PGR)" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Hi Ingo (and all) – I’m afraid I do not consider that Huffington Post article to be noteworthy, or to add anything to this discussion. It’s naïve and one-sided whilst pretending to be a sober, objective and neutral take on the issue.
> The reason people on this list and elsewhere are angry about Israel’s long-term treatment of the Palestinians, and the current bombardment in particular, is that ‘popular opinion’ has for so long been to excuse anything Israel does just because they’re Israel. No-one on this list would ever excuse Isis, and all would no doubt denounce al-Assad in Syria. But our political leaders aren’t exactly rushing to arm or defend them, and no-one’s treading on eggshells for fear of saying anything critical of them that might appear racist. It’s always been much more of a sensitive issue to criticise Israel, and it’s incredibly frustrating that political leaders in the west are not more explicitly denouncing what Israel is currently doing – as they have done with al-Assad.
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> Sorry guys, but I am really disgusted about the tone of this "discussion". Though I definitely don't agree with many of Elina's points I admire her for standing up to this endless barrage of all-too-often personal mudslinging at her. Imho the last 16 hours or so have not been precisely an example of academic discussion on this list but rather of knee-jerk reflexes. Sorry... A few might find this article noteworthy.
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/post_8056_b_5602701.html
> Ingo
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> Am 31.07.2014 08:33, schrieb Elina Bardach-Yalov:
> This is a very interesting comment - you actually have no idea that in Israel bomb shelters are build in the houses. And this is only because since 1970s-80s the government ordered to build bomb shelters in every single building (we have rockets and missiles exploding here quite frequently). The fact that HAMAS ordered the civilians not to do it (human shield, you know) is a huge problem for the IDF.
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> Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov
> David Yellin College of Education
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> On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Gabriel Moreno <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> Do all of you people under the barrage of Hamas terrorist rockets have internet-ready bomb shelters? That goes some way to explain how you manage to disassociate yourself from the conditions experienced by innocent women and children in Gaza. "They're all terrorists, kill them all"
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> On 31 Jul 2014, at 02:17, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> I wish someone was paying me for these emails, unfortunately no one does. But frankly saying, I don't care. When you are sitting in the bomb shelter and have absolutely no social life it is quite nice to talk to other people even if they disagree with you...
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> On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:37 PM, Emad S M <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> Elina, over zealous dedication indicates you are using this forum as part of your media job. However, looking at your emotional responses and utterly unreasonable justifications indicate a high level of tension on the Israeli side. Nothing personal here, you probably are a very good person, but sometimes a man has to wonder if your motives are financial or just mere indoctrination. I do not rule out either, but most probably I'd put it down as a financially motivated negating dogma. Perhaps it is too late to fight a media war you are already losing, thanks to the out-of-control Israeli Army that turned Gaza into a scene from a horror movie.
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> Calling the occupation 'propaganda' is frankly embarrassing. If the Israeli officials truly believe that marketing such an out of this world notion, then...well, it indicates nothing but those people are running out of words and pretexts, let alone directions. I am not going to explain to you why Gaza is a land under military occupation, you probably know that but choose to close your eyes to the blunt facts and pretend they do not exist with the hope someday the problem will sort itself out. I'm sorry to break it to you, but..no, it will not sort itself out whether or not you choose to ignore it.
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> What Israel is going through at the moment, like it always has, is a textbook post-holocaust existential paranoia coupled with a wide scale indoctrination that aims to eliminate and dehumanize the other - the Palestinian people - as a possible existential threat. It is not about Hamas or Islamic Jihad or whoever, but rather against any Palestinian who stands up to the occupation. The Israeli Army - wounded by unexpected resistance - is clearly targeting the social infrastructure of the 'terrorist organizations', hoping to break the will of Palestinians to fight. I wonder, if Palestinians choose to surrender - which is a far-fetched imagination and you know that - then what? Will Israel leave them alone? Can Israel genuinely live and let them live? Or even more importantly, is Israel capable of co-existing with a Palestinian state? Psychologically speaking, can Israel survive without a military occupation?
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> On behalf of the Palestinian families who were blown up to smithereens, Thank you, but sorry, apology not accepted. Have the Jews ever imagined being able to hunt down Nazi officers and bring them to justice?! Someday...
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