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Sorry guys, but I am really disgusted about the tone of this "discussion". Though I definitely don't agree with many of Elina's points I admire her for standing up to this endless barrage of all-too-often personal mudslinging at her. Imho the last 16 hours or so have not been precisely an example of academic discussion on this list but rather of knee-jerk reflexes. Sorry... A few might find this article noteworthy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/post_8056_b_5602701.html Ingo Am 31.07.2014 08:33, schrieb Elina Bardach-Yalov: > This is a very interesting comment - you actually have no idea that in > Israel bomb shelters are build in the houses. And this is only because > since 1970s-80s the government ordered to build bomb shelters in every > single building (we have rockets and missiles exploding here quite > frequently). The fact that HAMAS ordered the civilians not to do it > (human shield, you know) is a huge problem for the IDF. > > Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov > David Yellin College of Education > > On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Gabriel Moreno <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> Do all of you people under the barrage of Hamas terrorist rockets >> have internet-ready bomb shelters? That goes some way to explain how >> you manage to disassociate yourself from the conditions experienced >> by innocent women and children in Gaza. "They're all terrorists, kill >> them all" >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 31 Jul 2014, at 02:17, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >>> I wish someone was paying me for these emails, unfortunately no one >>> does. But frankly saying, I don't care. When you are sitting in the >>> bomb shelter and have absolutely no social life it is quite nice to >>> talk to other people even if they disagree with you... >>> >>> Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov >>> David Yellin College of Education >>> >>> On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:37 PM, Emad S M <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>>> Elina, over zealous dedication indicates you are using this forum >>>> as part of your media job. However, looking at your emotional >>>> responses and utterly unreasonable justifications indicate a high >>>> level of tension on the Israeli side. Nothing personal here, you >>>> probably are a very good person, but sometimes a man has to wonder >>>> if your motives are financial or just mere indoctrination. I do not >>>> rule out either, but most probably I'd put it down as a financially >>>> motivated negating dogma. Perhaps it is too late to fight a media >>>> war you are already losing, thanks to the out-of-control Israeli >>>> Army that turned Gaza into a scene from a horror movie. >>>> >>>> Calling the occupation 'propaganda' is frankly embarrassing. If the >>>> Israeli officials truly believe that marketing such an out of this >>>> world notion, then...well, it indicates nothing but those people >>>> are running out of words and pretexts, let alone directions. I am >>>> not going to explain to you why Gaza is a land under military >>>> occupation, you probably know that but choose to close your eyes to >>>> the blunt facts and pretend they do not exist with the hope someday >>>> the problem will sort itself out. I'm sorry to break it to you, >>>> but..no, it will not sort itself out whether or not you choose to >>>> ignore it. >>>> >>>> What Israel is going through at the moment, like it always has, is >>>> a textbook post-holocaust existential paranoia coupled with a wide >>>> scale indoctrination that aims to eliminate and dehumanize the >>>> other - the Palestinian people - as a possible existential threat. >>>> It is not about Hamas or Islamic Jihad or whoever, but rather >>>> against any Palestinian who stands up to the occupation. The >>>> Israeli Army - wounded by unexpected resistance - is clearly >>>> targeting the social infrastructure of the 'terrorist >>>> organizations', hoping to break the will of Palestinians to fight. >>>> I wonder, if Palestinians choose to surrender - which is a >>>> far-fetched imagination and you know that - then what? Will Israel >>>> leave them alone? Can Israel genuinely live and let them live? Or >>>> even more importantly, is Israel capable of co-existing with a >>>> Palestinian state? Psychologically speaking, can Israel survive >>>> without a military occupation? >>>> >>>> On behalf of the Palestinian families who were blown up to >>>> smithereens, Thank you, but sorry, apology not accepted. Have the >>>> Jews ever imagined being able to hunt down Nazi officers and bring >>>> them to justice?! 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