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I just love this comparison between the terrorist organisation and the Israeli army. I am wondering how did you feel when London bombings occurred (2005). Did you actually say - we do not have to seek for those nice Islamic fanatics who killed just a very few English civilians... And just a quick note - Israel is not attacking UNRWA buildings because of their imperfection. Israel attacks them because rockets are launched from there, which are targeted at civilians. But who cares about a few killed or injured Zionists or a few ruined kindergartens or houses if they are attacked by a very nice and peaceful terrorist organisation. Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov David Yellin College of Education > On Jul 31, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Allen Feldman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Well by your implicit criteria the Americans are also disqualified to function as peace brokers in Gaza because they massively arm Israel as do the Europeans also seek to broker peace. > That the UN may be imperfect, is nothing new and does not justify the shelling of their facilities,clients and staff > > >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> http://www.jta.org/2014/07/24/default/ban-orders-review-following-allegations-unrwa-gave-rockets-back-to-hamas >> >> The rockets were found 3 times in UNRWA schools and no one knows whom they were handled to, but in the first incident UNRWA admitted passing rockets to "local authorities"=HAMAS. >> >> Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov >> David Yellin College of Education >> >>> On Jul 31, 2014, at 4:21 AM, David Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> What, the UN and human rights agencies are passing rockets to Hamas? Any evidence for that? >>> >>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 21:19, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am just wondering if these are the same guys who passed HAMAS several days ago rockets that were found by the IDF in their school. >>>> I said reliable source... >>>> >>>> Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov >>>> David Yellin College of Education >>>> >>>> On Jul 31, 2014, at 4:06 AM, David Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No ‘RELIABLE’ figures? >>>>> >>>>> Well here is the Daily Telegraph, not a paper known to ‘support’ Hamas. It reports that the UN claims that up to the 21st July, 132 children had been killed and gives names, ages and sex of each one. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10984259/Revealed-the-Palestinian-children-killed-by-Israeli-forces.html >>>>> >>>>> Interesting how even very conservative papers can be pushed to report at least fragments of the truth when the brutality gets so great. >>>>> >>>>> D >>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 12:39, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Ann, >>>>>> I heard so many figures 1000, 1200, 1400 (I guess everyone on the list heard them too). Can we know for sure how many civilians died in the circumstances when no RELIABLE source stays right now in Gaza? I guess not, since you will never know whom HAMAS defined as a civilian (you know terrorists usually don't wear uniforms) and whom they killed by themselves and whom they counted 5-6 times just to raise the numbers. I am aware of several very sad incidents, however, more than this no one will be able to say at this point. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding - MECCSA is getting pissed off - I am afraid that the Europeans still use this "We" thing, even when they speak for themselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> As to me I am just wondering why this progressive and democratic academic community is unable to see that the both sides are suffering and deny Israelis the right to defend themselves. You know, we are also human beings, who just want to be safe. (What a progressive thought, isn't it?) >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov >>>>>> David Yellin College of Education >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Ann Overbergh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Elina, please explain yourself as we are talking about innocent people here, dead for no reason they had anything to do with. >>>>>>> Are you suggesting that the figures quoted by Milly are wrong? How do they qualify as "pure propaganda"? These stats are all over the media: 1200 Palestinians, half of whom are women and children. >>>>>>> Please also clarify why Levy is a lunatic? >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Ann >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Milly, it's very nice of you to pass here pure propaganda, but as I said I have absolutely no intention to discuss the sources here. You are referring once again to yourself as "a world", which is a bit disturbing, but understandable. Regarding Levy, even his ex-wife, a very smart Palestinian girl was wise enough not to listen to this lunatic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Milly Williamson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Perhaps Elina really doesn’t know that over 1,200 Palestinians have been killed since the siege started and that over 250 of them were children. Perhaps she doesn’t know these facts because the Israeli Broadcasting Authority banned the human rights organisation B’Tselem from broadcasting a paid-for advert on Israeli Radio which listed the names of the dead children. The thing is, Elina, that the rest of the world has seen the list of names of these dead children, and we have seen pictures of them. Many of them were babies. We have also seen the pictures of the thousands of traumatised and injured children in Gaza. Have you read Gideon Levy yet? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carlsten, Jennie >>>>>>>>> Sent: 30 July 2014 13:46 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course Elina has a right to express her views. Surely it is appropriate for others to point out where those views are informed by her professional affiliations. That would seem very pertinent to the discussion and to the purpose of having such a discussion in this forum. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Far from shutting her out of the conversation, I would very much like to ask Elina, again, to clarify her words about "the hundreds of dead terrorists whom you call children." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> Jennie Carlsten >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Cahal McLaughlin [[log in to unmask]] >>>>>>>>> Sent: 30 July 2014 13:41 >>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Karl, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It seems appropriate to include the information that Elina states on her own Linked In page that she has acted as an advisor to Netanyahu. If that is a 'smear and slur', then I suggest you ask Elina why she has slurred herself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am happy to say that I have gone on protest marches against the current genocide in Gaza. That, of course, should colour your and Elina's and others' interpretation of my contribution to this debate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cahal >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cahal McLaughlin >>>>>>>>> Professor of Film Studies, >>>>>>>>> School of Creative Arts, >>>>>>>>> Queens University Belfast >>>>>>>>> Room 003, First Floor, >>>>>>>>> 21 University Square, >>>>>>>>> Belfast BT7 1NN >>>>>>>>> N. Ireland >>>>>>>>> 00 44 2890973634 >>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.prisonsmemoryarchive.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/creativeartsqub >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:36, Spracklen, Karl wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> While I tend to agree with the majority view here on the disgraceful actions of the Israeli government, I am disturbed by the way this is becoming a trial by smear and slur of Elina. Are we going to do some research on everyone who comments here so we can establish what they may have done in the past that makes them ‘less reliable’? This is becoming rather nasty rather quickly and we would all warn our students from making such ad hominem attacks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Elina has a complete right to state her views and to defend herself in a civilized manner. Yes, I know Palestinians are being denied that by the Israeli government, but two wrongs do not make a right. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl Spracklen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.karlspracklen.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mohammed-Ali Abunajela >>>>>>>>> Sent: 30 July 2014 13:27 >>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Probably it was Elina who advised her Prime Minster, Benjamin Netanyahu, to establish this programme: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Israel Offers Students Grants If They Tweet Favorable Propaganda. See this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In a campaign to improve its image abroad, the Israeli government plans to provide scholarships to hundreds of students at its seven universities in exchange for their making pro-Israel Facebook posts and tweets to foreign audiences. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The students making the posts will not reveal online that they are funded by the Israeli government, according to correspondence about the plan revealed in the Haaretz newspaper. >>>>>>>>> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> MeCCSA mailing list >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To manage your subscription or unsubscribe from the MECCSA list, please visit: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=MECCSA&A=1 >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> MeCCSA is the subject association for the field of media, communication and cultural studies in UK Higher Education. >> >> This mailing list is a free service and is not restricted to members. 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