Dear all,
Stuart is quite correct, and participants in this debate have a perfect right to enquire exactly where Dr Bardach-Yalov is coming from, and to draw certain conclusions from what they discover. This is not in order to censor her or demean her, but simply in order to gauge whether it’s actually worth engaging with her. In my view, it’s not. As far as I’m concerned, the most interesting contributions to this debate have been those which have put the current situation into its long historical context, and which have also stressed its intense complexity. But what we are repeatedly getting from Dr Bardach-Yelov, and which is threatening to run a very valuable debate into a cul-de-sac, are the product of what appears to be a totally closed mind and an expression of exactly the same bunker mentality as that of the Israeli politicians that we encounter every day in the British media. I would suggest there is no more point in trying to engage such people in a sensible, rational debate than there is in trying to persuade the flat earth brigade that the planet is in fact round. Dr Bardach-Yalov has managed to pull off the extremely difficult feat of making even the BBC coverage of Gaza look relatively ‘balanced’ by comparison with her entirely one-sided view of the situation, and I suspect that she has given us a glimpse of the kind of endless barrage which the BBC and ITN will be receiving from Israelis absolutely convinced that British broadcasters are daily pumping out floods of anti-Israel and pro-Hamas propaganda. Anybody who criticises Israel’s actions, and especially when it comes to its relationship with the Palestinians, is liable to be deluged with the kind of stuff which Dr Bardach-Yelov is churning out – indeed, with far, far worse – but I must admit to being rather surprised at encountering it in this context.
Best, Julian.
Julian Petley
Professor of Screen Media,
School of Arts,
Brunel University,
Uxbridge,
UB8 2PJ
From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stuart Price
Sent: 30 July 2014 14:05
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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
Dear All
The concern shared by the majority of respondents is to understand the role assumed by Dr Bardach-Yalov, rather than to question her right to comment on events per se
Although individuals can act in more than one capacity, many of which combine and overlap (citizen, academic, parent, etc.), the unease felt by many on the list can be attributed to the conviction that other functions ('advisor', 'propagandist', etc.) tend to undermine the participant's credibility, at the point at which she describes anything beyond her immediate situation
This is not an argument about the corrosive effect of 'bias' or conviction (which as we know can be attributed to many individuals) but about the role of current or ex-state functionaries. A functionary can still act in another capacity - as a witness for example - and may produce some useful insights, but it is the ability of such a person to offer a balanced assessment of the larger context that is in doubt
Stuart Price (not the Stuart that wanted this debate to take place elsewhere)
Dear Karl,
It seems appropriate to include the information that Elina states on her own Linked In page that she has acted as an advisor to Netanyahu. If that is a 'smear and slur', then I suggest you ask Elina why she has slurred herself.
I am happy to say that I have gone on protest marches against the current genocide in Gaza. That, of course, should colour your and Elina's and others' interpretation of my contribution to this debate.
Cahal
On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:36, Spracklen, Karl wrote:
While I tend to agree with the majority view here on the disgraceful actions of the Israeli government, I am disturbed by the way this is becoming a trial by smear and slur of Elina. Are we going to do some research on everyone who comments here so we can establish what they may have done in the past that makes them ‘less reliable’? This is becoming rather nasty rather quickly and we would all warn our students from making such ad hominem attacks.
Elina has a complete right to state her views and to defend herself in a civilized manner. Yes, I know Palestinians are being denied that by the Israeli government, but two wrongs do not make a right.
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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza Probably it was Elina who advised her Prime Minster, Benjamin Netanyahu, to establish this programme:
Israel Offers Students Grants If They Tweet Favorable Propaganda. See this:
In a campaign to improve its image abroad, the Israeli government plans to provide scholarships to hundreds of students at its seven universities in exchange for their making pro-Israel Facebook posts and tweets to foreign audiences.
The students making the posts will not reveal online that they are funded by the Israeli government, according to correspondence about the plan revealed in the Haaretz newspaper.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office, which will oversee the programme, confirmed its launch and wrote that its aim was to “strengthen Israeli public diplomacy and make it fit the changes in the means of information consumption”.
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Just to remind late joiners to the list, that Elina is named on her Linked-In page as an advisor to the Israeli prime minister.
On 30 Jul 2014, at 12:32, Mohammed Ali wrote:
You can play the role of the victim as much as you want but won't be able to mislead us. You need to admit that Israel is occupying and looting Palestinian lands, destroying their homes, illegally blockading the Gaza Strip, unjustly put people in prison including children, targeting hospitals and disabled care homes, and unlawful implementing continuing and discriminate attacks. About 1300 civilians killed, 40% children, and thwarting any peace efforts and many other criminal acts. What do you expect? You are very lucky to have a shelter to hide but but Palestinians don't have one. For several times, UN schools used as shelters have been targeted - including one today killing more than 20 people. Please don't give us any 'moral' lessons and only blame your illegal terrorist government.
Mohammed-Ali
University of Bedfordshire.
Milly, this is really nice of you to write for the whole world... Especially about hundreds of dead terrorists whom you call children... (And yes, I am aware of civilian casualties, which is very sad indeed).
And my point regarding rockets is - even if something does't kill you, it does irreversible psychological damage. Just think about it - you are writing me this post from some nice office and I am replying from a very unpleasant bomb shelter. And since we have sirens again, I am sorry, but you will have to continue this important discussion without me.
Well, imagine then what it must have felt like for the hundreds of children who were blown apart by Israeli bombs; imagine the hundreds and hundreds of dead adults; imagine the thousands of injured and maimed, with very little medical help; imagine the mothers who have had to hold their dead children; imagine fleeing to a UN school, because you have nowhere else to go, and still being blown apart by Israeli bombs.
Israel is finally losing its propaganda war. No one believes your lies any more, except you.
Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
I just hope that you called my point of view a "Zionist provocation". It is really flattering, as I have never answered any of "anti-Zionist" posts or emails. This time I really decided that this very interesting and important community has to hear the other voice. The voice of someone, who jumped out of bed once again during the night because of some HAMAS fanatic, who decided to send another rocket to her home town.
PS From personal experience - the siren is much more frightening than a rocket. You keep hearing a siren for 45 seconds and it takes only a few seconds for a rocket to explode.
The members of this list are to be congratulated for a discussion which, while different points of viewed were being aired, immediately rose to the Zionist provocation and transcended it before the perpetrator was outed.
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