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I wish you could say what do you mean by "reasonable". People have every right to be skeptical of an ex-tabloid editor going on about ethics. If anything I think my analogy is wrong for rather unfair comparison. I haven't looked at the Sun coverage but I doubt it if they are defending Israeli's war crime in such a way. ________________________________________ From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Spracklen, Karl <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 30 July 2014 14:18 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza That is an erroneous analogy. I'm sure there are plenty of people in MeCCSA who used to work in some sort of creative industry at some time - if we were discussing the state of the pop music industry would we go away and find out and name people in the debate who had worked in the pop music industry before they became an academic? Would we say they are not competent to pass judgement on the pop music industry because they once worked with Simon Cowell? Would we say that they must be still working in some capacity for Simon Cowell? Or that they are unable to be a legitimate actor in the debate because they have been tainted by working for Simon Cowell? Please read what I said - I am appalled at the actions of the Israeli government and do not defend them. But let's stick to a reasonable tone in the way we deal with different points of view. Karl Spracklen -----Original Message----- From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gholam Khiabany Sent: 30 July 2014 14:05 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza Yes Elina has a right to state "her view and to defend herself in a civilized manner" but lets not hide the fact that her main effort has been to affirm, extend, strengthen and validate Israel's behavior and its abuse of moral and humanitarian behavior. Of course Elina should not be banned from what his government is denying Palestinians, that is the right to express herself. And also lets not forget that alongside this right she has a safe bunker with internet access. Again that is precisely what has been denied to Palestinians. As far as her "identity" is concerned I think Karl or no one else would have objected if Kelvin MacKenzie was posting things on this email list and someone had dared to remind everyone that he used to edited the Sun. ________________________________________ From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of John Richardson (Social Sciences) <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 30 July 2014 13:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza I completely agree ________________________________________ From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Spracklen, Karl [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 30 July 2014 13:36 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza Hello all While I tend to agree with the majority view here on the disgraceful actions of the Israeli government, I am disturbed by the way this is becoming a trial by smear and slur of Elina. Are we going to do some research on everyone who comments here so we can establish what they may have done in the past that makes them ‘less reliable’? This is becoming rather nasty rather quickly and we would all warn our students from making such ad hominem attacks. Elina has a complete right to state her views and to defend herself in a civilized manner. Yes, I know Palestinians are being denied that by the Israeli government, but two wrongs do not make a right. Karl Spracklen www.karlspracklen.com From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mohammed-Ali Abunajela Sent: 30 July 2014 13:27 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza Probably it was Elina who advised her Prime Minster, Benjamin Netanyahu, to establish this programme: Israel Offers Students Grants If They Tweet Favorable Propaganda. See this: In a campaign to improve its image abroad, the Israeli government plans to provide scholarships to hundreds of students at its seven universities in exchange for their making pro-Israel Facebook posts and tweets to foreign audiences. The students making the posts will not reveal online that they are funded by the Israeli government, according to correspondence about the plan revealed in the Haaretz newspaper. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office, which will oversee the programme, confirmed its launch and wrote that its aim was to “strengthen Israeli public diplomacy and make it fit the changes in the means of information consumption”. Israel Offers Students Grants If They Tweet Favorable Propaganda<http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/israel-offers-students-grants-if-they> [Image removed by sender. image]<http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/israel-offers-students-grants-if-they> Israel Offers Students Grants If They Tweet Favorable Pr...<http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/israel-offers-students-grants-if-they> Israel is trying to fight back against the power of social media. View on crooksandliars.com<http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/israel-offers-students-grants-if-they> Preview by Yahoo ________________________________ From: Cahal McLaughlin <[log in to unmask]> To: Mohammed Ali <[log in to unmask]> Cc: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza Dear all, Just to remind late joiners to the list, that Elina is named on her Linked-In page as an advisor to the Israeli prime minister. Cahal Cahal McLaughlin Professor of Film Studies, School of Creative Arts, Queens University Belfast Room 003, First Floor, 21 University Square, Belfast BT7 1NN N. Ireland 00 44 2890973634 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> www.prisonsmemoryarchive.com www.facebook.com/creativeartsqub<http://www.facebook.com/creativeartsqub> On 30 Jul 2014, at 12:32, Mohammed Ali wrote: Elina, You can play the role of the victim as much as you want but won't be able to mislead us. You need to admit that Israel is occupying and looting Palestinian lands, destroying their homes, illegally blockading the Gaza Strip, unjustly put people in prison including children, targeting hospitals and disabled care homes, and unlawful implementing continuing and discriminate attacks. About 1300 civilians killed, 40% children, and thwarting any peace efforts and many other criminal acts. What do you expect? You are very lucky to have a shelter to hide but but Palestinians don't have one. For several times, UN schools used as shelters have been targeted - including one today killing more than 20 people. Please don't give us any 'moral' lessons and only blame your illegal terrorist government. Mohammed-Ali University of Bedfordshire. On 30 Jul 2014, at 11:51, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Milly, this is really nice of you to write for the whole world... Especially about hundreds of dead terrorists whom you call children... (And yes, I am aware of civilian casualties, which is very sad indeed). And my point regarding rockets is - even if something does't kill you, it does irreversible psychological damage. Just think about it - you are writing me this post from some nice office and I am replying from a very unpleasant bomb shelter. And since we have sirens again, I am sorry, but you will have to continue this important discussion without me. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Milly Williamson <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Well, imagine then what it must have felt like for the hundreds of children who were blown apart by Israeli bombs; imagine the hundreds and hundreds of dead adults; imagine the thousands of injured and maimed, with very little medical help; imagine the mothers who have had to hold their dead children; imagine fleeing to a UN school, because you have nowhere else to go, and still being blown apart by Israeli bombs. Israel is finally losing its propaganda war. No one believes your lies any more, except you. From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Elina Bardach-Yalov Sent: 30 July 2014 11:18 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza I just hope that you called my point of view a "Zionist provocation". It is really flattering, as I have never answered any of "anti-Zionist" posts or emails. This time I really decided that this very interesting and important community has to hear the other voice. The voice of someone, who jumped out of bed once again during the night because of some HAMAS fanatic, who decided to send another rocket to her home town. PS From personal experience - the siren is much more frightening than a rocket. You keep hearing a siren for 45 seconds and it takes only a few seconds for a rocket to explode. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Michael Chanan <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: The members of this list are to be congratulated for a discussion which, while different points of viewed were being aired, immediately rose to the Zionist provocation and transcended it before the perpetrator was outed. 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