To all those sending messages that they wish to unsubscribe: this can be done without sending emails to the list and compounding the problem of email traffic.
It might be instructive to (re) read the instructions on how this and other email distribution lists operate.
As well as the general interest of the discussion taking place, I’ve been interested to note the frequent references made by those who dislike the Gaza discussion
to the ‘more appropriate place’ where such discussions should be happening. If anyone should find this utopian location where social and political discussion can be conducted without the slightest hint of inconvenience, dissent or offence ever being caused
to anyone, please let me know where I can find it. In the meantime, thanks to Gabriel Moreno for attempting to facilitate making a space available for (no doubt imperfect) discussions to take place.
An earlier respondent wrote of their wish to keep this email list free of the political discussions (and the tone of those discussions) that had dominated their
other social media feeds. As a cultural studies scholar I do not wish to see my professional life as something entirely separate from day-to-day social and political concerns and the impact of world events. It’s been eye-opening to see how differently people
can feel about this. Like most others, I often receive messages from the MECCSA list that do not personally interest me. It’s never been more than a moment’s trouble to hit the delete key. What a pity that either silencing or moving a whole topic of serious
discussion seems in some views to be the preferred solution.
Jo
Dr Joanne Knowles
Senior Lecturer, Media, Culture, Communication
Liverpool John Moores University
Room GD22, John Foster Building
Tel (0151) 231 5061
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Please count me out, too. I think these discussions are way too sensitive to conduct them in such way. Perhaps MECCSSA can think of some future policy that would prevent this. I would appreciate not being copied on all these emails and
if that's not possible, please take me off the list. Thank you to Mr Alan Dodd to raise this issue.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Trudy Barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I'm afraid I entirely agree with Alan Dodd. Unless this is moderated - I too wish to unsubscribe from this list.
On 31 July 2014 10:28, Alan Dodd <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
To whom it may concern
I have enjoyed the MECCSA list for several years and have always found it to be a useful list for keeping up to date with te latest debates and publications.
Unfortunately I think that this list is not the appropriate forum for such discussion as has been seen recently, which has now become extremely personal towards some contributors.
I wish to unsubscribe from the list. This is unfortunate but unless this discussion is forcibly stopped by the list owners/moderators immediately I am left with no other choice. I note that previous warnings have gone unheeded.
I apologise for sending this everyone but I am unsure who should receive this.
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:23:00 +0100
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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
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Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Nazi propaganda during Hitler's reign, once said, "Lie, lie, lie until people believe in you, then lie, lie, lie until you believe yourself."
I guess that's the main problem - you guys ignore questions and tend to misunderstand and misrepresent your opponent (and also use the same old propaganda messages that were invented in good old 48). Now I
am about to write that I have never apologized for working with Netanyahu and you will write: "you see, you were working with a criminal and you can't even apologize for that" (or any similar nonsense). And all this just in order to avoid answering my simple
question: do you support HAMAS who's ideology is to target Israeli civilians (and use Gaza civilians as human shield, but lets put this aside).
David Yellin College of Education
Your apology, as a worker with a war criminal, is not accepted by the Gaza civilians. The Israeli terrorism, occupation and crimes will soon or later be brought into justice.
This "personal" thing you are talking about - i.e. Israeli operation against HAMAS terrorists, which from your perspective I should condemn ( and for me is absolutely justified. I am sorry for civilian casualties, but I definitely support
the government for trying to get rid of terrorists).
But as this is also personal for me (since I am the one to sit in the bomb shelter) I am wondering if you support HAMAS for targeting Israeli civilians or are you (and please leave aside this stupid Arabic
propaganda - there is no other way of getting rid of these bloody Zionists, who occupied our land, since we are not Europeans and we both know that two state solution is possible) progressive enough to realize that targeting civilians (not by mistake, but
absolutely deliberately) is immoral and wrong?
David Yellin College of Education
Hi All,
I’d like to share some of my thoughts on this issue.
- The “personal” matter
I believe that many of us agree with Lisa that personal attacks are not welcomed here. But how can exchanging ideas and discussing the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in which media plays a major role be considered
as a personal attack. I find that disagreement with Elina point of view, which I find it a practical use of the Israeli government talking points, is so legitimate. Using this “personal attack” logic I can say, as a Palestinian that I consider Elina’s justification
of murdering more than 1300 of my people in Gaza a very personal attack.
- Social Media vs Mainstream Media
This Israeli war on Gaza proved again that social movements and activists around the globe are using social media platforms and alternative media very well to get their message received by wide audience and
for organising off line/on ground activities. #GazaUnderAttack and #IstandwithGaza hashtags which went viral on Twitter are examples of how people are using social media to tell stories that mainstream media aren’t telling their audience.
Protesters who went on streets of London and other cities in the UK to protest the BBC coverage of the conflict made #BBCtruth4Gaza hashtag very popular on Twitter, while online users stormed the US based
channel ABC with complaints for misleading viewers by using a picture of bombing victims in Gaza claiming that it’s an image from Israel. Consequently the channel had to apologize later for misinforming viewers . These are examples of how online and offline
activism are coupling and contributing to the failure of Israel war propaganda.
Further reading on this can be found here:
http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/impact-social-media-israelgaza-conflict/1182
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israels-propaganda-machine-is-finally-starting-to-misfire-9636417.html
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/telegenic-israels-crumbling.html
- Israeli press complicity
If any of you is looking for a professional and non-biased coverage of the war on Gaza in the Israeli media, I tell you it would be a hard task. In any war that Israel declares on Palestinians or Lebanon,
the so called free Israeli press would become part of the Israeli war media machine. Except for Haaretz which is left oriented newspaper, most of the Israeli media outlets cover the war from the far right Israeli government perspective. Even Haaretz coverage
of this war is biased, as the newspaper failed so far to report the war professionally. This shouldn’t be surprising if we learn that according to recent polls, 87% of Israelis support Netanyahu war on Palestinians.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israelis-support-netanyahu-and-gaza-war-despite-rising-deaths-on-both-sides/2014/07/29/0d562c44-1748-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html
- Ashdod/Asdod
One last issue I wanted to mention here is about
Ashdod/Asdod that Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov told us she lives in. Ashdod is the Hebrew name of a Palestinian village called in Arabic “Asdod” whose people were forced by the Zionists militias in 1947-1948
to leave and take refuge in Gaza strip. So in 2014, Palestinians of Asdod who are now refugees for more than 65 years in Gaza are asked by those who took their homes by force in 1948 to not resist at all and accept being murdered silently.
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